pathway - Breadcrumbs

by **capte** on Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:28 pm

I don't get it !!!

This should be fairly simple ...

I need the breadcrumbs to show this :

Home -> Something -> more -> revolution

But what i get is :

Home -> blog

It just doesn't show the title of the page " revolution " and the total pathway at all . My structure of pages is ok ...
SECTIONS, CATEGORIES, CONTENT ITEMS

Any ideas why?

Capt E

by **netshine** on Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:58 pm

The pathway is based on your menu structure, not your section/category/item structure. To achieve the breadcrumbs you want, you would need to create a main menu item called 'Home', add a sub-menu-item called 'Something', another sub-menu-item under that called 'more', and another one under that called 'revolution'.

Mambo will decide what pathway to display based on the Itemid parameter in the url - the Itemid would have to match the corresponding menu item id in order for the correct path to be displayed. If you just drill down using the standard blog or table, the pathway will not reflect this I'm afraid. Many people don't bother with pathway because of this - it is only really suitable for certain types of site structure.

I don't know off the top of my head, but there may be a 3rd party module that provides more sophisticated breadcrumbs - certainly mambo-phpShop has its own breadcrumb trail which works well.

by **atlanticom** on Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:28 pm

I'm currently working "issues" with the ItemId variable. However, I can offer this nugget of info.

I found that the ItemId does indeed reference the itemid field for menu items - all menus. Therefore, you can create your pathway structure in an PUBLISHED, BUT UNUSED menu (I don't use topmenu but have it defined and published to a position that is never called by my site template) and still have the pathway work correctly.

I hope this helps

by **gsbe** on Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:16 am

I'm having similar issues and cannot for the life of me figure out a way to get this to work.I understand the issue to be no module placement parameters avaialble for blog menu links. I have also tried to create an unpublished sub-menu like atlanticom to tirck the proper pathway but have had difficulty getting this to work.

1. client needs contextual menus displayed
2. new menus have been created with corresponding menu modules
3. new menus use module parameters to set which page to display contextual menu
* requires that menu items be listed in the menu module parameters
* requirement throws out blog category as an option here and requires category blogs to be linked as Link URLs
4. category blog menu items are created in this menu and unpublished
* this category blog menu item is there to be recognized in the menu module parameters. To do so, it must be in the Top level of this menu, it cannot be a sub-menu item
* this requirement makes the pathway display incorrectly (without parent menu item displayed)
5. link URL menu items are created linking to the category blogs created in #4

My problem is the pathway. The displays properly like this but the pathway is incorrect:

* Main menu item
o sub-menu Link URL to unpublished content blog 1
o sub-menu Link URL to unpublished content blog 2
* Unpublished content blog 1
* Unpublished content blog 2

The pathway to the sub-menu item does not show first "Main menu item". The pathway merely shows Home and this sub-menu content item. If I move the Unpublished content blogs into the sub-menu to fix the pathway, I am then unable to control what page the menu displays on. Any ideas?

Perhaps there is another menu module that I could use to create this simple site navigation? I can't believe that $ambo can't do this out of the box!

scooter explains this situation better than I in this thread on the old forum:
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=33171

by de on Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:39 am

Hi Graham (gsbe),

You asked me (by email... answering here to let others respond) whether my extended menu module could fix the problem...
Short answer: I think no.
Each menu module should only display what was configured using the menu manager. Sometimes they may deliver another menu manager, but I think the built in menu manager should be flexible enough for what its made.

What I understand so far:
1) post1 (by capte) was answered by netshine...
In the "old" forum there is one (or more) threads talking about a
problem with mutiple SEF-URLs for a single content item. The cause
here is the same: the Itemid. The blog (I did not evaluated which
ones work well and which not) should be fixed to use the correct
Itemid of an existing menu item... if there is any. (It should not
just use the one of the page you were seeing the blog).
place to be fixed: content component (should not be very hard to fix)
2) Link URLs not beeing displayed in the module parameters ("pages")...
Sometimes it makes no sense to display it there, sometimes it does.
It does only make really sense when the URL does not contain an
Itemid parameter (it will then automatically get added).
But this does not solve the problem gsbe has, because the URL link
probably contains the Itemid of the unpublished menu items.
So for the cases where it makes sense...
place to be fixed: menu manager
3) Problem with unpublished blog menu items and the pathway...

gsbe wrote: * requirement throws out blog category as an option here and requires category blogs to be linked as Link URLs

Is the only reason for the Link URLs what is described in 1) ?
It seem not important here that the active menu item is displayed as
active and it does not have sub menu items either. As long as this
is true, it should work with Link URLs like you did.

gsbe wrote: * this category blog menu item is there to be recognized in the menu module parameters. To do so, it must be in the Top level of this menu, it cannot be a sub-menu item

I don't understand why there should be a difference (whether top level or sub menu)... if there is, than it is a bug in the menu manager.
place to be fixed: content item component or menu manager (maybe even both)

Btw your link seem not to work.

Now I could create a menu manager by my own, but as said before there is aready a menu manager which should rather get improved.
(To me it seems that 1) is your main problem.)

I hope I could explain it a bit and was useful at all.

Daniel

by **gsbe** on Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:48 am

de wrote:Btw your link seem not to work.

Sorry, it should have been http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=33171

by **gsbe** on Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:25 am

Phew. Figured this one out. You can't have parent items as Link URLs even if the sub-menu items are the correct type (blog or table).

http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... l#msg38404

by **kai920** on Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:36 pm

netshine wrote:The pathway is based on your menu structure, not your section/category/item structure. To achieve the breadcrumbs you want, you would need to create a main menu item called 'Home', add a sub-menu-item called 'Something', another sub-menu-item under that called 'more', and another one under that called 'revolution'.

Mambo will decide what pathway to display based on the Itemid parameter in the url - the Itemid would have to match the corresponding menu item id in order for the correct path to be displayed. If you just drill down using the standard blog or table, the pathway will not reflect this I'm afraid. Many people don't bother with pathway because of this - it is only really suitable for certain types of site structure.

I'm trying to get my pathway to show Main > Technology > News > Software > content item, but it always shows as Main > Technology > content item.

The content item points to id=9, the Technology blog section (which is why it's showing Main > Tech > content). I'm confused as to how I can change this to match the id=29 of my Software blog-category...

by **kai920** on Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:07 am

kai920 wrote:
netshine wrote:The pathway is based on your menu structure, not your section/category/item structure. To achieve the breadcrumbs you want, you would need to create a main menu item called 'Home', add a sub-menu-item called 'Something', another sub-menu-item under that called 'more', and another one under that called 'revolution'.

Mambo will decide what pathway to display based on the Itemid parameter in the url - the Itemid would have to match the corresponding menu item id in order for the correct path to be displayed. If you just drill down using the standard blog or table, the pathway will not reflect this I'm afraid. Many people don't bother with pathway because of this - it is only really suitable for certain types of site structure.

I'm trying to get my pathway to show Main > Technology > News > Software > content item, but it always shows as Main > Technology > content item.

The content item points to id=9, the Technology blog section (which is why it's showing Main > Tech > content). I'm confused as to how I can change this to match the id=29 of my Software blog-category...

by **kai920** on Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:55 am

Never mind, figured it out! Turns out the Blog - Content Section takes 'precedence' over Blog - Content Category...

So I just created new menu links, the top-level being a Content Category instead of Section... works now.

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