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I thought the plan plan was to bring some order into the non-GPL extensions and the official sites, so why are new non-GPL still being published if you want to enforce compliance?
What are the future plans for JED? Will I still be able to access listings of commercial extensions there or not?

From the "Some Common Questions" post stickied above:

"research is being done", "dealing with", "plenty of notice" give no indication whatsoever as to the future plans. So far it's an "issue".
Will commercial extensions continue to be listed or not? is a simple yes/no question..

This conversation isn't about commercial or non-commercial.  Hopefully you mean Non-GPL compatible licenses?

Would you all stop picking at the difference between these two words?
That would make life so much easier, as about 90+% of users WILL assimilate both..
Still no answer.

Please see: http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... #msg878548

I see but I don't understand where the answer is?
Please explain further?
Clarification: what happens WITH the directory is not the same as what happens IN it...

Until we do our own housecleaning, there is no way we can start on JED cleaning. We can't give you information that we don't have.

BTW, this was stated very clearly in the original announcement: http://www.joomla.org/content/view/3510/1/


BTW, despite my efforts to offer to discuss with you apparent issues you have with moderating etc, I've not received any correspondence from you. Do you still have my skype? My email?

I think I do have your skype, but rarely use skype. The issue I have is open-ness, freedom of opinion and expression of them without censorship, being able to engage in discussions (which currently is not possible on these boards about the GPL topic), and I much prefer to discuss anything in public, nothing to hide, no conspiracy, right?
And whenever I ask about something a bit touchy, there are no answers, just links or quotes which also do not answer.

Does "until...there is no way we can start on JED cleaning" then mean there will be non-GPL extensions cleanup? Why is it so hard to just say yes? (or No..)

Lobos asks about a way to work around the GPL issue, on which you say you will provide guidance to 3PD. Yet the only "guidance" he gets to his concrete example is "consult with your lawyer"... Is that an answer in your opinion?
Search the boards for "lawyer": over 100 results. Search for "legal": 25 PAGES!

brad, these forums used to be a nice place to hang out, but ever since this started months ago, dev on 1.5 slowed down, people started to quit their "jobs" here, the 3PD of worthwile extensions mostly left, and the whole thing just turned bad. No fun anymore. None. Is this what you folks wanted? Endless discussions, which in the end are completely useless as GPL is defended tooth and nails here against anything anyway? Do YOU enjoy the current situation? Don't tell me you do, please. I don't see where you still find your optimism. I didn't visit for a week, hoping things would be better by now, but I still don't see any SUPPORT of 3PD trying to find solutions or asking for a little help, just legal (one more for the search) references. I will now look for a friendlier place, Joomla or not, "the thrill is gone" (this one's for Jenny: BB King). c yall later maybe.

All the best to you Joe. If I were seeing such negativity myself I would probably also be looking for a friendlier place.

Again, I wish you well.

It makes all the difference in the world Eyez.  The reason why 90% or so of users will assume they are the same is because people keep repeating that it is commercial extensions when that is specifically untrue.  Stop repeating it and maybe users will be educated as to what the real issue is, and it won't be 90% of users - it will be less that are misinformed.

The real issue is over extensions that are released under non-GPL compatible licenses.  There is no issue with commercial extensions or paying for extensions, or for developers charging for extensions under various business models. 

Disagree all you want, I respect that, but please use the correct terms so as to not unnecessarily stir up and muddy the waters. 

Yes...an important point since the terms "commercial extensions" and "proprietary extensions" (e.g. non-GPL) are practically used as synonyms in the context of this discussion. There's some logic in why that happens since I don't think there are any proprietary extensions available which are not commercial and I've yet to find a commercial extension which wasn't proprietary (e.g. GPL). So, though they are different, it's easy to blur the lines.

It would seem to make sense that if OSM and Joomla are going through this rigmarole to ensure compliance, it wouldn't make sense for them to keep non-GPL extensions listed. But this is just my take on it.

You got me wondering if I was using the term 'proprietary' correctly, so I did an odd thing and looked it up. Maybe this helps others too?



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software

Look at the threads title... "commercial non-GPL" -no need to pick up the other one.

Joe,

With all due respect, your jumping all over the place. Just because you can't see what is happening doesn't mean nothing is happening. And just because it's not happening fast doesn't mean it's not happening in a proper way with due diligence and consideration.

If it takes a week, a month or even a year... I'd rather it be right than be quick and be wrong.

Cheers
Shayne

Shayne, I'm not jumping at all anymore, in fact I just removed forums.joomla.org from my Firefox homepage when I got here.
I don't plan to be around much anymore, as whatever happens always seems to happen in places where no-one can see, and there's no communication about it untill it's done..
Don't care if something happens fast or slow, as long as I know about it happening. Notice all I got are replies, but no simple Yes/No answer to "will commercial non-GPL extensions be removed from the directory" - would you care to answer this simple question?
People don't live on trust, they want to see to believe.
No communication, no discussions, just repression is what I feel here now -no fun.

Joe,

I'm sorry you feel this way, but as has been said repeatedly it is NOT a simple yes or no question.

Life would be much simpler if more things had clear cut answers, I think we all can agree on that. 

Sorry you are leaving the forums for the how-ever-many-th time (it has to be at least the 3rd time) in the last two years Eyez. 

Which I guess really means - See you soon!

How many human feelings rise from a bit of code!

My best wishes to all, from all courts (eyezberg, pardon by the off-topic ).

Regarding this post, please don't leave. 

Jenny, it is the second time.
The first time was when the split happened under just the same circumstances (no forewarning, everyone being put in front of an "take it or leave it/us" decision - I don't like being obliged to do something, even less so in the free/open source whatever context.
I have now discontinued the few modules I had on JED, they are/were GPL so anyone is free to do whatever with them.
Good luck.

PS: I will log out now untill this situation is resolved somehow, so don't bother with PMs. Thx