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 Post subject: PHPlist for Mambo
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:54 am 
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I  have looked at the different newsletters out there like moslistmessenger, YANC, MML, PHPlist etc. Reading also the forum posts here.

It seems that the most advanced newsletter for BIG mailinglists is PHPlist. But there is no Mambo or Joomla integration available so far.

And the only disadvantage of PHPlist is the way the subscribe and confirmation pages are looking. I have newsletters with 2x >10.000 users registered and some small ones (>2.000 users). And I hate to have no easy way of changing those pages in phplist.

I have no clou about programming, so I can not make a componant or any kind of bridge myself - unfortunately.

Newsletters are the #1 marketing tool on the internet. I just do not get it that there is no support at Mambo or Joomla yet for professional newsletters that can easy handle REALLY big newsletters and have at the same time important features like bouncing e-mails, resent old letters, seearal lists and scheduling the time of sending the newsletters.

IMO it does not make sense for the IT-know-how here to spend time and work on several newsletters for mambo and joomla, if they are more or less all the same. But no ressources are focused on the demand for lists of +10.000 users at all!

Is there anybody out there, who can help in this pushing forward? I would be willing also to support this financially with a donation.

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Website phplist:

http://www.phplist.com

Forum of PHPlist:

http://www.phplist.com/forums/index.php

Features of PHPlist:

http://tincan.co.uk/?lid=453

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Copy of features (version 2.10.x):

(use the link above for a better formatted Feature overview)



    * Posting to the mailinglist is via a webpage. It is therefore a one-way announcements system, directed from you to your audience.
    * phplist enforces a double opt-in subscription system. Subscribers who enter their details in a web based subscription page, will receive an email and have to action their subscription to receive emails.
    * It is designed to be able to deal with a very large amount of email addresses. If a sending fails halfway, the next process for sending simply continues where it left off, without duplicating emails to users.
    * Users can sign up to multiple lists. If a message is sent to multiple lists, they will only receive one copy of the email and not as many as the number of lists they are subscribed to.
    * Open Tracking. You can see how many users opened your email. This is a rough indication, as many mail readers do not allow this, but it can still be quite useful.
    * Click Tracking. You can enable tracking all clicks of all URLs in the emails you send and PHPlist will report on the clicks on every single email. This can be viewed by message, URL or user
    * Send a Webpage. Just tell PHPlist the URL of a webpage you want to send to your users and it will fetch it and send it out. You can even give the URL some user specific parameters that will fetch a different URL per user.
    * Templates. It is very easy to adapt the public pages of the system to fit into your website. You can upload a header and a footer of all pages to make the pages fit your requirements.
    * Attributes. You can specify information you want to get from users when they sign up. When sending a message, you can use this information to select the users that need to receive the message. For example you can add geographical information. When people sign up, they can identify the geographical location they're in and when sending an email you can determine which locations need to receive the message.
    * Multiple subscribe pages. You can design your own subscribe pages and you can have different pages allowing users to sign up to a selection of your lists and only enter a selection of your pre-defined attributes.
    * Personalisation. You can use the attributes you define in the emails you send, to make every email personal to the user who receives them.
    * PHPlist supports HTML emails. If a user indicates they want HTML email they can receive it that way. If unknown the system has a bias to send text emails to users.
    * There is a choice of which HTML editor you want to use in order to create your emails. These editors are pulled in from other open source projects that specialise in clever HTML editors.
    * Multiple List managers. One Super user can assign lists to multiple list managers, who can control their own pool of users and lists. The Super user can "prepare" messages that can be chosen by list managers to send to any of the lists they control.
    * Easy import and export. Use TAB delimited files to import your existing list of users or to export the users on the PHPlist system for use in your in-house database.
    * Personal Details. Every email a user receives will contain a personalised URL to update the users' preferences. This way your users can update their own information and your database is always up-to-date. Unlike most other mailinglist managers users can change their email address when updating their personal details. This is a major benefit to both you and your users as many people often change their email address, and this feature makes sure that they don't disappear from your view.
    * Attachments. You can add attachments to your message. They will be included in the HTML emails. The users who receive text will get a special URL mentioned in their email telling them where to download the attachment from your website.
    * Batch Processing. To facilitate shared hosting environments, you can specify the maximum number of emails to send in a time period you identify. This can also be overridden by ISPs who can set these values server wide to apply to any PHPlist installation on that machine.
    * Set up Throttling to make sure that the load on your server does not become excessive so it halts
    * You can also use Domain Throttling to make sure that you don't send too many emails to one domain within a certain time frame and get very unfriendly with the system administrators of the receiving domain
    * ISP Friendly. Apart from the limit on values for batch processing that the ISP can enforce, there is an additional option for ISPs to suspend sending during busy times in the day.
    * Embargoed sending. You can create a message and tell the system to only start sending it at a certain date and time in the future.
    * Repetition. A message can be repeated automatically. Currently this is only useful when the message has "filesystem attachments", because they are refreshed at time of sending.
    * User management. You can use several in built tools to handle large databases of users. Users can be reminded to confirm their subscription and invalid emails will be found automatically, or fixed whenever needed.
    * Bounce handling. Bounces can be processed and users will be automatically unsubscribed when too many emails to them bounced. This can be corrected by the administrator in case the unsubscription was incorrect.
    * Advanced Bounce handling. You can specify regular expressions that match a bounce and identify actions on each of these. This means that you can teach your PHPlist installation to distinguish between hard and soft bounces.
    * Manual Text entry. By default PHPlist will turn your content entered as HTML into plain text for the users who want to receive text, but it is also possible to do this manually if you wish to do so.
    * Automated PDF creation. To ensure users can read the message regardless of mail reader, the message can be automatically converted to PDF and attached to the email.
    * RSS feeds. PHPlist can be set up to read a range of RSS sources and send the contents on a regular basis to users. The user can identify how often they want to receive the feeds. For more information about RSS click here
    * PHPlist is now also available in languages other than english, although the translation work is still in progress
    * Easy install. Just copy the files to your website folder, tell the login details of the SQL database and it's done.


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 Post subject: Re: PHPlist for Mambo
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:58 pm 
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I agree, I would LOVE to see phplist integrated into mambo

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:33 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: PHPlist for Mambo
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:09 pm 
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I have partial funding for a bridging project between PHPlist and Joomla.  I need more funding and a willing developer/programmer.

http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,30369.0.html

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 Post subject: Re: PHPlist for Mambo
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:02 pm 
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One thing I could not figure out with phplist was that it wasnt an autoresponder.  Just a thing to mail your newsletter.  I dont know if it has changed since I used it but probably not.  There has to be a sequential autoresponder for Joomla somewhere.  Anyway know where to find one?

This is so you can enter a set amount of emails and when a visitor signs up to your list, you dont have to send them anything, the autoresponder series does it all over a period of time.

It would be useful if it could select what day and time to send it, and also support bouncing emails, and unsubscribe link at the bottom of each email so they can one click unsubscribe.  It would also be nice if it had an option to double opt in or just single opt in.

There are more features it probably should have but so far I cant find an autoresponder for Joomla yet.

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:57 pm 
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I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by autoresponder.

PHPlist, MaMML (I think YaNC also) have personalized unsubscribe links and double opt it (this is configurable in MaMML at least - not sure about the others).  PHPlist supports bounced emails.

The auto-delivery, presetting when the mail is sent, is something I need to include in this project, but I was thinking of including that into another part of the system - not sure yet.  In this project multiple mailings will be automatically compiled and sent to corresponding mailing lists at midnight every Sunday.

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:30 pm 
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An autoresponder is a program that sends emails sequentially.  You can enter a message, personalize it with their name or whatever information you captured of theirs from the form.  Then you can set the date this message is delivered relative to the date the visitor signed up for your list.

Then you can enter another message the same way.

This makes for an automatic newsletter.  An autoresponder :)

So you can create a series of emails for a visitor all on autopilot they are sent at various intervals from when the person signs up that you can choose.

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 Post subject: Re: PHPlist for Mambo
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:54 pm 
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Ah, I see.  I think you'd have to get custom programmng done for that one.  I need a script that sends an email to all users once a week, kinda similar...  I'm gonna be looking for a programmer to sort it out for me.

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:12 pm 
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I'm using phpList at the moment, learning the ropes...

You can "Embargo" a message.  That is, tell the system when to start sending a message.  It doesn't set the date relative to the subscribers sign up date, but it's a start...

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:08 pm 
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oooh, very interesting.  so the only thing then is to figure out how to change that.  i am not a very good php programmer. 

it seems like all it would need then is to embargo relative to the signup date with a cron somehow.  i have no idea whatsoever how to do that though.  but it seems like it would be a very useful feature to have and a fairly simple one to implement.

can you even add multiple messages then to phplist?  its interesting that you can have messages sent at times but not relative to the subscribers sign up date.

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:17 pm 
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It seems to be another way to add your contribution to the so many featured world of Spams ...

A newsletter is important as long as it has something to tell that could have a real matter for peoples that get it in theyre mail boxes ... And i don't think that one or another mailing system could really matter...

But it's a nice idea for some other purposes.


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http://tincan.co.uk/?lid=1583

Seems like they are adding this autoresponder feature to phplist :)

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:50 pm 
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I just a came in to let you know about that, and this:

http://phplist.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=713
- phpList forum thread about the topic

and this: http://infinite.ibasics.biz/
- existing GPL software that does the job

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:55 pm 
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hehehe, i was just at that page and thats where i got my link from, i think we were probably there at the same time :D

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:58 pm 
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that infinite responder looks primising but doesnt handle bounce emails yet and that is just not good.

but it is on the list of todo so that looks quite promising for a future release but not something i would use quite yet.  i really like the sounds of this phplist thing though.  i will even donate to it once i get money in my paypal again

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What about a variation on the ANJEL project as an interface/bridge into the PHPList engine? 

Or would it be just as easy to start from scratch?

Ideally what would be great would be Joomla/OSCommerce/PHPList combo..

I use this comination a lot at the moment ( examples: http://www.singlelife.com.auhttp://www.bdw.net.auhttp://www.purelypleasure.com.au ) but as seperate installs with very loose integration.. meaning I wrap the newsletter subscribe page and I just link to OSCommerce. 

I'm using the PHPList / OSCommerce bridge for singlelife - users subscribe using OSCommerce membership creation process and are managed through OSCommerce as one list but can be sent to through PHPlist 

I've been moving to more ANJEL for simple mailing stuff - has a nice subscribe facility ( http://www.witia.org ) and community builder integration (I think?) but PHPlist does have some pretty cool features.

and OSCommerce is still by far the best online shopping cart I've seen to date..

Now there is a bridge for PHPList into OSCommerce (Have a look at OSCommerce for that bridge) and there is a bridge project for Joomla to OSCommerce (still in it's infancy) so possibly make OSCommerce the hub for the integration is another solution?

And hey - thanks for the link to the auto responder - have had a couple of requests but hadn't had time to look into it..

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