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Hi ,

in former Joomla -Versions the document title is build of the sitename and the article or menu title.
Now the sitename is lost.

we have in application.php for example
$document->setTitle($params->get('page_title') ); 

in com_content the document title is set  in realtion to the article-title or menu-title.

So the connection between the sub-sites and the whole site is lost in the document title.
For example:

page title  frontpage : Joomla  an open source CMS

Navigation -item :  "Features"
pagetitle of this item : "The new way we offer"

So we have in the document title only "features" or in relation to the content structure " The new way we offer"

The relation to joomla is lost. The correct document title has to be: "Joomla - The new way we offer"
or " Joomla - Features "

What do you think? Is it better to make the combination like this:

$document->setTitle( $this->getCfg('sitename') .'-'.$params->get('page_title') ); 

Angie

I agree for 2 reasons:

• Logic - title needs to have the sitename + pagetitle
• Backward Compatibility - it would affect SEO if we migrate a site & chage all its titles...

see http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... #msg891989
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... #msg864257
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... #msg844482

and probably countless others

Andy

hi

we have take care not to muddle up page title and document title.

Angie

And on International forums too..

BTW I do not understand the reasoning behind "it's better for SEO" as stated by Jinx.
I suggest to add a parameter in Global Configuration that would let the user add the site name before the page if the user wants so.
Looks like many want this feature.

Fixed. Added global config option to set this.

Sorry Hannes but I had to revert your change. The page titles handling in Joomla! 1.0 has been discussed multiple times and there is a heap of information that can be found on page titles and SEO optimisations in general on the www.

In short, for Joomla! 1.5 and for SEO reasons we have choosen to create page titles that are directly relevant to the actual page you are in. This means the sitename and or site description isn't appeneded or prepended to the page title. This decision was taken after research and feeedback from SEO experts. A good example of this approach is this forum, when you browse it you will notice SMF doesn't prepend or append the site name or description to the page title.

If you don't agree with this approach it wouldn't be very hard to create a Joomla! 1.5 plugins that changes the page title. This could easily be done by using the onAfterDispatch event, and using the JDocument::getTitle and getTitle function.

Johan

Hmm.. honest, why not let the choice in global config then? We can have a faq explaining your reasoning and let users decide.
This would save the coding of a plugin for those that do not agree   

Even more, it won't break backward compatibility.
Let's assume I have a site in J!1.0 which has one Title structure (& Search Engines know them that way), after migration all title will change.

Wouldn't it affect Search Engines?

Hi,


there is an easy solution, Robert told me

We can adapt it in the template itself.


$title=$mainframe->getPageTitle();
$title= $title . ' sitename';
$mainframe->setPageTitle($title);


bye Angie

A template specific solution is good, but not sure good enough.
If template creators won't be aware of this Title behavior, then they won't add this code...
(& we solved nothing)

I'm not a big fan of having settings for everything and anything. One of the design goal behind 1.5 is trying to reduce choice by reducing the number of settings. Less settings means more simplicytiy and more ease of use plus it makes documenting the system easier.

As for the effect on search engine, I will argue that it will improve you search engine ranking as the titles will better reflect the content of the page.

A French user has developed a plugin to solve this issue and let users decide whatever the template(s) used. 

Tested on last SVN and working.
http://www.joomlagora.org/index.php/Web ... gorie.html

I ask him to add language file and it should be released on JED.

Helped the user concerning language files...
Had to be redundant until plugin language install is rectified.
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... html 

Plug-in now on JED
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/ ... Itemid,35/