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Posted: **Sat May 20, 2006 2:30 pm**

Hi to all,

Work is almost complete on automated migration from older versions to Joomla 1.5. See blog http://dev.joomla.org/component/option, ... ,33/p,107/. I would like to give credit to Harald Baer for contributing the component to dump migration files from the old site.

User testing is kindly requested to iron out probable glitches.

Remaining work includes adapting the ftp layer to the importer for php safe mode.

Feedback will be appreciated.

Latest version of com_migrator can be found here

EDITED to update as of RC1 release (o7/22/07:

willebil wrote: The migrator is maintained here --> http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/pasamioprojects/frs/

Latest migrator can be downloaded --> http://joomlacode.org/gf/download/frsre ... _beta2.zip

Posted: **Sun May 21, 2006 1:09 pm**

Thanks. This is great for migrating database content...

But what about making some step-step tutotrial about upgrading whole site, with components, moodules etc?

What about of making script that will remove unneeded files from joomla 1.0.x? (this is used eg in Gallery2 upgrade procedure)

Posted: **Sun May 21, 2006 2:30 pm**

Hi,

Joomla 1.5 is so significantly changed from 1.0 that there is no 'upgrade' path. This is the reason that we are providing a migration path. The concept is to build a new site and to migrate data from the old site. Extensions need to be installed and configured as if the site is new. The core data migration does reconstruct menu items for core elements and also keeps core module records with configuration settings.

It is not feasible to provide a tutorial that can deal with the diversity of configured sites. Besides moving core database content the only remaining entity to migrate for core elements is the images node of folders and files.

Posted: **Sun May 21, 2006 4:31 pm**

Here is what I can say at this point. com_migrator works fine as far as I can tell. However I get the following message when selecting "upload & execute" from the 1.5 installation:Fatal error: Call to undefined function: iconv() in d:\www\joomla\installation\includes\classes.php on line 1325Also, how can I figure out what "source encoding" to use?

Thanks!

Posted: **Sun May 21, 2006 4:57 pm**

srl wrote: Here is what I can say at this point. com_migrator works fine as far as I can tell. However I get the following message when selecting "upload & execute" from the 1.5 installation:Fatal error: Call to undefined function: iconv() in d:\www\joomla\installation\includes\classes.php on line 1325Also, how can I figure out what "source encoding" to use?

Thanks!

Can you please let us know what version of php you are running. The iconv() extension is needed for encoding conversion and it is loaded by default in all newer versions of php (from 4.3 if I'm not mistaken). You might try to enable iconv in you php.ini configuration file on the server or ask your host provider to do so.

I will add a suitable user warning to avoid the error message.

The source encoding is whatever encoding your 'old' site was using (the _ISO setting in the language file). This can also be determined in page info in the browser.

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2006 4:40 am**

Thanks a bunch. I am testing this on my Windows XP workstation running php 4.3.4. Activated iconv and everything works fine. Sorry, this should have carried a "php newbie" warning;-)

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2006 2:30 pm**

davidgal wrote: Joomla 1.5 is so significantly changed from 1.0 that there is no 'upgrade' path. This is the reason that we are providing a migration path. The concept is to build a new site and to migrate data from the old site. Extensions need to be installed and configured as if the site is new. The core data migration does reconstruct menu items for core elements and also keeps core module records with configuration settings.

The developer team have been claiming all along that they weren't going to change the database schema because of compatibility issues with previous versions - now you're saying that there is no way outside migration - so the question really is why you don't do schema upgrades as well since 1.5 is so significantly changed? Add foreign keys to all the tables at least, so one can reverse engineer it properly, this won't change the schema at all.

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2006 2:50 pm**

safitch wrote:
davidgal wrote: Joomla 1.5 is so significantly changed from 1.0 that there is no 'upgrade' path. This is the reason that we are providing a migration path. The concept is to build a new site and to migrate data from the old site. Extensions need to be installed and configured as if the site is new. The core data migration does reconstruct menu items for core elements and also keeps core module records with configuration settings.
The developer team have been claiming all along that they weren't going to change the database schema because of compatibility issues with previous versions - now you're saying that there is no way outside migration - so the question really is why you don't do schema upgrades as well since 1.5 is so significantly changed? Add foreign keys to all the tables at least, so one can reverse engineer it properly, this won't change the schema at all.

The only thing that almost has almost no changes is the database schemal Besides two field renames, there are a few additions which usually don't affect upgrade or migration. Same for a deleted table.

The changes that argue against an upgrade path are the code base and it's structure. There is no practical way to patch an existing site to the new code. There is also another reason to migrate data (irrespective to db schema) and that is the encoding conversion that is required. This applies to data and to string field definitions. Again the argument favours migration.

I'm not sure that I'm following you on the foreign key issue. Can you please clarify.

David

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2006 5:41 pm**

davidgal wrote:
safitch wrote: The developer team have been claiming all along that they weren't going to change the database schema because of compatibility issues with previous versions - now you're saying that there is no way outside migration - so the question really is why you don't do schema upgrades as well since 1.5 is so significantly changed? Add foreign keys to all the tables at least, so one can reverse engineer it properly, this won't change the schema at all.
The only thing that almost has almost no changes is the database schemal Besides two field renames, there are a few additions which usually don't affect upgrade or migration. Same for a deleted table.

The changes that argue against an upgrade path are the code base and it's structure. There is no practical way to patch an existing site to the new code. There is also another reason to migrate data (irrespective to db schema) and that is the encoding conversion that is required. This applies to data and to string field definitions. Again the argument favours migration.

I'm not sure that I'm following you on the foreign key issue. Can you please clarify.

David

1) Think you misunderstood my point..

Since the team already has decided for a migration path between 1.0 and 1.5, changes in the schema of the 1.5 installation would be the job of the migration tool to handle.

So if the team for instance introduced cleaner naming convetions for field names, table names, SQL queries, etc, as argued in the http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,55622.0.html post, the migration tool would be responsible handling those differences. I imagine it would make the job of the migration tool harder, but nonetheless it would be its responsibility.

2) What I mean with foreign keys - current schema doesn't specify foreign keys, this is _bad_ practice. All tables that have compositional dependencies to/from other tables should specify those in the form of a foreign key. Adding foreign keys constraints to the current 1.5 schema would be the first step on the way to getting referential integrity, and also making it possible for us that use ER diagramming tools to reverse engineer the schema ensuring correct couplings between tables. Today you have to guess to where some fields refer - as torkil experienced in reverse engineering the schema in the post mentioned earlier.

Posted: **Fri May 26, 2006 7:14 pm**

safitch wrote:
davidgal wrote:
safitch wrote: The developer team have been claiming all along that they weren't going to change the database schema because of compatibility issues with previous versions - now you're saying that there is no way outside migration - so the question really is why you don't do schema upgrades as well since 1.5 is so significantly changed? Add foreign keys to all the tables at least, so one can reverse engineer it properly, this won't change the schema at all.
The only thing that almost has almost no changes is the database schemal Besides two field renames, there are a few additions which usually don't affect upgrade or migration. Same for a deleted table.

The changes that argue against an upgrade path are the code base and it's structure. There is no practical way to patch an existing site to the new code. There is also another reason to migrate data (irrespective to db schema) and that is the encoding conversion that is required. This applies to data and to string field definitions. Again the argument favours migration.

I'm not sure that I'm following you on the foreign key issue. Can you please clarify.

David
1) Think you misunderstood my point..

Since the team already has decided for a migration path between 1.0 and 1.5, changes in the schema of the 1.5 installation would be the job of the migration tool to handle.

So if the team for instance introduced cleaner naming convetions for field names, table names, SQL queries, etc, as argued in the http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,55622.0.html post, the migration tool would be responsible handling those differences. I imagine it would make the job of the migration tool harder, but nonetheless it would be its responsibility.

2) What I mean with foreign keys - current schema doesn't specify foreign keys, this is _bad_ practice. All tables that have compositional dependencies to/from other tables should specify those in the form of a foreign key. Adding foreign keys constraints to the current 1.5 schema would be the first step on the way to getting referential integrity, and also making it possible for us that use ER diagramming tools to reverse engineer the schema ensuring correct couplings between tables. Today you have to guess to where some fields refer - as torkil experienced in reverse engineering the schema in the post mentioned earlier.

Joomla 1.5 is to be compatible as far back as MySQL 3.23 which means versions that will not even parse the foreign key statement (implemented only in version 3.2.44). MyISAM tables do not currently support foreign keys or referential integrity. Most shared hosts do not enable creation of innoDB tables which do support foreign keys.

In any case there will be no major changes in db schema before Joomla! 2.0. At that time the foreign key issue will be reevaluated with an eye on future development of MyISAM table engine.

Posted: **Sun May 28, 2006 5:16 pm**

davidgal wrote: The only thing that almost has almost no changes is the database schemal Besides two field renames, there are a few additions which usually don't affect upgrade or migration. Same for a deleted table.

Does this mean that the database schema for Joomla 1.5 is finalized? Or is it still subject to change? If so, at what point during the development cycle is it considered finalized?

davidgal wrote: There is also another reason to migrate data (irrespective to db schema) and that is the encoding conversion that is required. This applies to data and to string field definitions. Again the argument favours migration.

I don't understand how that's practically different from a schema change -- in both cases, the database is significantly altered, is it not?

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:55 pm**

I am trying to load the migration script in the 1.5 install and it says I need PHP iconv installed. I checked and it is installed and enabled.
What can I do now?
PHP version 5.1.2
Apache 1.3
OS X 10.4.6

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:03 pm**

g3p0 wrote: I am trying to load the migration script in the 1.5 install and it says I need PHP iconv installed. I checked and it is installed and enabled.
What can I do now?
PHP version 5.1.2
Apache 1.3
OS X 10.4.6

Hi and welcome to Joomla!

I checked on php 5.1.2 and it worked fine for me. I suggest to install without migration and in the administrator, go to tools -> system info.
In the main page you should see if inconv is loaded or not. You can aslo check phpinfo() output in the php tab.

If you edited the php.ini to enable iconv, please don't forget to restart apache for it to take effect.

Please let me know what you found.

Thanks,

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:19 pm**

Hi and welcome to Joomla!

I checked on php 5.1.2 and it worked fine for me. I suggest to install without migration and in the administrator, go to tools -> system info.
In the main page you should see if inconv is loaded or not. You can aslo check phpinfo() output in the php tab.

If you edited the php.ini to enable iconv, please don't forget to restart apache for it to take effect.

Please let me know what you found.

Thanks, Glad to be here. Joomla looks the most promising of any cms I have found so far!

Yep, I checked phpinfo and it is indeed enabled.

If you do not reccomend the migration wizard than what should I do? Should I duplicate my 1.0.9 database and use it for 1.5 selecting the "backup" option?
What about my installed modules like CB, Joomla Explorer, Joom!Fish, Helpdesk, and others? Will I have to reinstall these modules/components/mambots?

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:07 pm**

g3p0 wrote:
Hi and welcome to Joomla!

I checked on php 5.1.2 and it worked fine for me. I suggest to install without migration and in the administrator, go to tools -> system info.
In the main page you should see if inconv is loaded or not. You can aslo check phpinfo() output in the php tab.

If you edited the php.ini to enable iconv, please don't forget to restart apache for it to take effect.

Please let me know what you found.
Thanks, Glad to be here. Joomla looks the most promising of any cms I have found so far!

Yep, I checked phpinfo and it is indeed enabled.

If you do not reccomend the migration wizard than what should I do? Should I duplicate my 1.0.9 database and use it for 1.5 selecting the "backup" option?
What about my installed modules like CB, Joomla Explorer, Joom!Fish, Helpdesk, and others? Will I have to reinstall these modules/components/mambots?

Hi,

I need to get to the bottom of this. This is the first instance of a false report of iconv function existing or not. I suspect something in your operating environment. The phpinfo() is reporting setting of the iconv environment settings and not necessarily checking if the function exists. (There is a library of functions, iconv() being one of them). I have found no problems on several versions of php including 5.1.2.

Can you please provide a dump of your environment.

Regarding the planned tranisiton from Joomla! 1.0.x to 1.5. There is no upgrade route planned but only a data migration. There is a facility to migrate the core content using com_migrator. All third party components need to be reinstalled and their content migrated manually.

Cheers,

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:11 pm**

Here you go:

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SQLite
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Path to sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i

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xmlrpc
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Yep, I used the migration tool, that is what I am uploading and getting the error.

also, is 1.5 using $mosConfig_absolute_path as the absolute or is there another prefix/variable? I tried installing Community builder and got that error on the install success page.

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:41 pm**

I've done some searching and found reports of iconv being installed but the function not being found. This appeared in some builds of 5.0.3 but there have been more reports than the one bug (status resolved).

All the problems seem to appear in FreeBSD and have to do with the way php was built.

Can you please try on a different host or try installing a different apache / php set.

Posted: **Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:18 pm**

Hmm.
I have tried the installation both on WebServerKit for OS X and with the native Apache server on my os. The result is the same.
Maybe I should upgrade to 5.1.4?

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:19 am**

I use nightly builds randomly, and from build to build, a database structure changes (for example build at 29 may and build at 13 June), if it possible to migrate database from build to build?
migrator does not work. (nothing happens when i use it)

Thanks
ps: english is not my home language

Posted: **Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:39 am**

MySQL 3.23 is a dinosaur. vBulletin dumped support with vBulletin 3.6 which is presently in Beta.

Is 3.23 holding Joomla 1.5 back? I'd rather Joomla devs not spend a bunch of time with backwards compatibility that could be spent on things that Joomla desparately needs, like ACL.

The crazy thing is, since Joomla 1.5 requires all modules and components to be rewritten ANYWAY, why not do ACL now? Otherwise, mods and components will have to be rewritten again 6-12 months from now for Joomla 2.0.

I wish Joomla would gobble up JACL Plus project into the core and require existing mods and components to support it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:02 am**

does not work for me:

Datenbank Störungen berichtet
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INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Länderfile Italien', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'fansound oberliga', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'oberliga hessen', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'rosenborg', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Englanf', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'England', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'steaua', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'sturm', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'managerstory', '6');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'sebien', '4');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Textmodus', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'gelbe karten', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'hallo', '4');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'ossinho', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'gameplay', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'config.dat', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'config', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'real madrid', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'turkey', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'cor', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Lucas Oppermann', '4');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Oppermann', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'länderfile England', '9');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'länderfile', '9');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Trikos', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'traini', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'NADL Indien', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'sex', '1');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'stadien', '5');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'you´ll never walk al', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'jupiler', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'arsenal london', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Regionalliga wappen', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Gameplaypatch', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'Gameplay patch', '3');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'spieler', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( 'vorstand', '2');
INSERT INTO `jos_core_log_searches` (`search_term`, `hits`) VALUES ( '\"Fifa 2005\"', '3')
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i use php 5 and mysql 5.

martin

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:58 pm**

Hi,

I'm sorry for the delay in replying. The migration facility is still work in process after the recent menu table changes and menu logical changes.

I hope to commit the modificaitons over the weekend

Thanks,

Posted: **Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:52 pm**

After klicking "DumpIt" on Joomla 1.5.0 Alpha2 latest nightly build:

Code: Select all

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent in D:\Data\xampp\htdocs\joomla_alpha2\libraries\joomla\document\html\html.php on line 237

How is this tool supposed to work?

I install it on my "old" Joomla 1.0.10 Installation, dumping the database to file and then... what?

Posted: **Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:16 am**

feldon27 wrote: MySQL 3.23 is a dinosaur. vBulletin dumped support with vBulletin 3.6 which is presently in Beta.

Is 3.23 holding Joomla 1.5 back? I'd rather Joomla devs not spend a bunch of time with backwards compatibility that could be spent on things that Joomla desparately needs, like ACL.

I can understand wanting to support the 3.23 stream of MySQL because a lot of cheap hosts still use it. However saying that Joomla! shouldn't use proper foreign key constraints because they are 'only' parsed properly in 3.23.44 and above (going off what someone said elsewhere in this thread) is a cop out.

3.23.44 came out in 2001, the current release of that stream is 3.23.58 and came out in 2003. I seriously cannot see how by the time Joomla! 1.5 is released it will not be reasonable to expect people using that stream of MySQL to at least have one of those versions of it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:12 am**

David,

When the component will be stable we will put it in the official extensions project for downloads.

(Dev Site article) and

The migration facility is still work in process after the recent menu table changes and menu logical changes. I hope to commit the modificaitons over the weekend

from June 22

Is there any news about this tool, is it ready for testing? Thank you.

Posted: **Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:57 pm**

I am so looking forward to 1.5!! Especially since you guys are dev'ing a migration tool versus us poor, mentally limited people would definitely mess it up!!

Posted: **Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:21 pm**

feldon27 wrote: I wish Joomla would gobble up JACL Plus project into the core and require existing mods and components to support it.

JACLplus is a really bad choice in that regard and it does not support what Joomla will need in the future. I'm working on ACL, so please be patient. Its a little more than plug that in there, and it works.

Posted: **Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:35 am**

Its really hard to get people to turn to CMS, for some apprently unknown reason they are scared of new technology or something. (Finally) One of my department has stepped to "tryout" CMS (by CMS I mean Joomla... duhh!

on one of its project sites. But, I am seeing all that hours of meetings, conference and tutorials all over again. But I am glad that its happening, and people are using CMS.

It is defenetely going to be another major battle for me to upgarde to Joomla 1.5, but thanks for the migration roadmap. Emm, do you think I should let them know about it right now? Or will that scare 'em?

I am glad I saved http://international.syr.edu. I want to wait till 1.5 is released... I wonder when that will be. (P.S. I am talking about Syracuse University [www.syr.edu])

Kudos to the dev team....you deserve (it?? nah...).... millions of them!!

Namaste!

Posted: **Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:39 am**

Another 2 weeks, no news.. any chance to get a heads up on the migration tool ?
Would like to try and migrate a live site to 1.5, just to see what happens..

Posted: **Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:19 am**

prameya wrote: Its really hard to get people to turn to CMS, for some apprently unknown reason they are scared of new technology or something. (Finally) One of my department has stepped to "tryout" CMS (by CMS I mean Joomla... duhh! on one of its project sites. But, I am seeing all that hours of meetings, conference and tutorials all over again. But I am glad that its happening, and people are using CMS.

It is defenetely going to be another major battle for me to upgarde to Joomla 1.5, but thanks for the migration roadmap. Emm, do you think I should let them know about it right now? Or will that scare 'em?

...
Namaste!

IMHO, after looking at the present stage of Joomla 1.5 development, I would definitely install the last stable version (1.0.10 at the time I write this message) for the following reasons :
- Joomla 1.5 core runs fine, is very nice, but still has some bugs (for instance using SEF : the menu News of the basic installation prompts an improper url => "/category" is missing)
- only a few components are Joomla 1.5 ready (and looks like they cannot be installed completely without the FTP Configuration properly set at Joomla installation : documentation on that would help)
- SECURITY ! When you see the recent amount of work required in the present stable version and in many components including major ones like Community Builder, you may guess that an Alpha version cannot have the same level of security.

All this will take a significant amount of work, thanks to the excellent developement team and to the contributions of the community.

For the next sites I have to deliver, from my 10 years experience in Internet, my number one choice is, especially when people are new to CMS, to make them become confident in the new tool : it is out of a normal human ability to make two jumps at the same time (change one's way of thinking on -using- a tool which will not give a stable ground on which one can walk safely)

I know, Joomla 1.5 is very exciting and will be a first class CMS when it will be "ready to use".
At that time, my users will have become confident on the CMS tool Joomla

, and they will be ready for what they will see just as an improvement, as they cannot -and don't have to- imagine the considerable work that goes on at the technical level : my duty is exactly to avoid that to them.

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