Two 100% reviews = 76% global rating ??

[nordmograph]

Hello

I still don't get why 2 top 100% reviews total in 76%
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... -jomsocial

It seems to be because they did not rate documentation. Extension only has embed limted documentation as it is really self explanatory.

This rating is not fair.
Is this a know issue, will it be addressed ?

Thank you

[fcoulter]

This does seem unfair to me. I think it would make more sense to just discount the score for the documentation or any other feature that is unrated.

[nordmograph]

Yes really unfair.
IMO, if a rating subsection is not rated , 'not touched', it should never count as 0 and discredit the rest.

[Webdongle]

Perhaps make all rating fields compulsory ... form won't submit until a value is selected for All fields ?

[nordmograph]

Yes exactly, either make all these rating fields mandatory or ignore fields not being rated.

[zomtec]

The scores are a joke.
Users (looking for extensions) are innocent and confused, because there is no documentation or info, what the scores stand for or how the overall score was built.
The JED has a weird calculation for the scores (based on age of the score e.g.), but only a handful really know the calculation. If it is documentated, it is hard to find - I never found a documentation for the calculated score.
Since months there are well known Bugs within the scoring/rating routine, but the JED isn't able to fix them till today.
Especially the language filter is the worst feature, because if an user is rating in his native language you have to spend hours for searching this rating. I'm not sure, but possibly only english ratings are included in the calculation.
In my eyes such elementary features should be fixed quickly or should be disabled till they are fixed.

[nordmograph]

Absolutely , Here is the reopned issue, I just added a comment.
https://joomlaextensionsdirectory.atlas ... e/JDEV-873
Feel free to add your 2 cents or add yourself as a 'watcher'

[nordmograph]

Oh my god, I just noticed the Assignee for this issue is Rob Clayburn whose latest activity on the JED issue tracker was on 2015 june 10th
https://joomlaextensionsdirectory.atlas ... ream-panel

Other 'Code' member of the JED team
Daniel Dimitrov, No activity since 2015 August
https://joomlaextensionsdirectory.atlas ... ream-panel

[zomtec]

and there are still unsolved issues reported 2 years ago (!!!)

[anibal_sanchez]

Hi nordmograph,

Calculations take into account the average ratings in a category. For example, if a top extension has many reviews, it is not going to be displaced from the top by an extension with a couple of 100% reviews.

Concerning to collaboration, we always need more hands to solve issues and there is an open call for developers Fun in JED: bug smashing and feature development http://forum.joomla.org/viewforum.php?f=262

Additionally, I am going to present "JED development: how to collaborate and improve our extensions directory" in J and Beyond 2016 Barcelona http://jandbeyond.org/

If you are going to attend, we can discuss these subjects and how JED works. Alternatively, video sessions are going to be available for sure.

Best regards,

[nordmograph]

Hi Anibal,

Thank you for your input. About the rating issue, you mean that in this particular example, the 76% global rating for this extension is not due to the documentation not being rated, but because it is lowered to fit in the right rank compared to other extensions with the same rating but with more reviews?
I could understand but it is really confusing not only for the extension owner, but for users too. It just looks broken, even if there is a great algo behind. Maybe it lacks some info. Is it described anywhere? That would maybe save some stress.

Thank you for the invitation, I love Barcelona, but still a little far...

[Vimes]

Hi nordmograph,

Calculations take into account the average ratings in a category. For example, if a top extension has many reviews, it is not going to be displaced from the top by an extension with a couple of 100% reviews.

Anibal,

I know you believe this to be true, but sadly it's not. It'll help if you can familiarise yourself with this thread, where I detail how poor the JED's scoring is

http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=262&t=891833

and here

http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=262&t=896335

It's a bit of a read, and naturally the numbers have changed a little since then, but the comments are still relevant.

As for requests for volunteers? We have been offering our help for 6 years now, but it's never been accepted and I for one am no longer interested in mucking in.

[anibal_sanchez]

Hi,

About Barcelona, they have The Joomla! Event Traveller Programme (JET).

The Joomla! Event Traveller Programme (JET) is pleased to announce that we will be taking applications from the worldwide Joomla community for the upcoming JandBeyond, to be held between 20th and 22nd of May, 2016 Barcelona, Spain.

http://community.joomla.org/blogs/commu ... -open.html

About numbers, I am working my presentation and planning to introduce the collaboration workflow. Let me check the code to better answer how it works.

Regards,
Anibal

[zomtec]

Concerning to collaboration, we always need more hands to solve issues and there is an open call for developers Fun in JED: bug smashing and feature development http://forum.joomla.org/viewforum.php?f=262

have you ever read this?
http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p3318223

[anibal_sanchez]

Yes, I read it.

At this time, there's a new process to collaborate with JED. In the last Joomla World Conference, in JED's "Joomla in Action" session, several developers were interested to collaborate, but we didn't have the Joomla Extensions Directory Contributor Agreement (JEDCA). So, all requests were delayed until we received the agreement (December 2015).

My idea is to introduce the new process and present how a development environment can be configured to develop, test and submit modifications. Since JED is a live site with a big database and the system is designed for JED, it is more complex than the usual Joomla CMS development workflow (https://issues.joomla.org), where you can clone the repo, send a PR, apply a patch and test in a clean schema or in a site.

I mean... I'm a regular Joomla collaborator, signed JEDCA, asked for access to the bitbucket repo and cloned it to prepare my presentation . However, I'm still starting to get into the details. For example, to configure the Vagrant box to run a simulated JED. I plan to solve some JIRA issues as part of the presentation.

To sum up, I don't know all the past discussions and you're helping me to gather feedback. I'm taking notes for the presentation. For sure, I'll talk about the ranking system. In my view, it's a good time to start collaborating with JED.

Regards,

[zomtec]

you didn't answere why you don't hire nonumber, because you need more hands to solve issues
he offered to solve the scoring/rating issues

[anibal_sanchez]

Hi,

Hire? We're volunteers. The new process is in place and anyone can apply.

BTW: I'm a longtime user of NoNumber's extensions and I recommend them everytime I can. I hope I can met him in Barcelona.

[zomtec]

hiring is not against volunteering.
there was no question of pricing within that posting - there was an offer of help, but it seems, that you don't want to be helped, because you are tossing and turning, but never accept so.'s help.
2 year (!!!) old issues within your trackers. And NOW you are calling for volunteer's help? fire the responsibles for the new com_jed first, fire all the testers of the new com_jed first, because they didn't their job well

[anibal_sanchez]

Well.... if you want to go there ... No need to add anything else.

Have a nice weekend!

[zomtec]

Your answere shows, that the whole JED and OSM isn't able to accept criticism.
You've made a failure with the new com_jed, but you never conceded.
2 year old known issues never been fixed.
Offered help was ignored.

SO:
Well.... if you want to go there ... No need to add anything else.

Have a nice weekend, too!

[Vimes]

we didn't have the Joomla Extensions Directory Contributor Agreement (JEDCA). So, all requests were delayed until we received the agreement (December 2015).

This is the problem that people are complaining about.

You (the JED team, not you personally) finally got approval for just the agreement that allows people to make changes, a full year after the "new" JED was revealed, despite the fact that it's been blatantly obvious that the JED has been absolutely chock full of stupid bugs throughout that time. It took a year to achieve ( from our perspective ) very little.

Now we learn that you intend to have a workshop at JAB, in May, which is a full 6 months after the agreement was approved. Six months where people could be getting their hands dirty in the code and working out solutions.

Do you understand why people are more than a little frustrated?

I'm taking notes for the presentation. For sure, I'll talk about the ranking system. In my view, it's a good time to start collaborating with JED.

JAB 2016 isn't a good time to start talking about the rating system. The good time was last spring, not this summer!

** I'm not having a go at you personally. You're new to this game, which is why you're still talking on the forum, but it won't take long for you to get tired of the inertia like your predecessors and disappear too.

[JLinker]

Hi everyone,
I'm in the same situation: two 100% reviews give me a 73% overall.

If there is a top extension with more reviews, why not just give it priority in the ordering based on the number of positive reviews? I'm maybe missing something but it sounds like simple maths to me.
The current system seems really unfair and meaningless considering the examples we have here.

Joomla developers sweat so much to put extensions there and attract reviews...it's really frustrating to see that 100% is unreachable even if the maths say the extension deserves it.

Please guys you need to do something!

[Vimes]

Joomla developers sweat so much to put extensions there and attract reviews...it's really frustrating to see that 100% is unreachable even if the maths say the extension deserves it.

My current version no longer has requests for reviews, I've removed all of them from all software and emails that we send to clients.

[JLinker]

What's the explanation for the fact that twice 100% reviews give 73% overall for 1 extension, and 76% for another one?

[Webdongle]

... And NOW you are calling for volunteer's help?...

Asking for volunteers is a big positive step. For a long time there have been post trying to justify the reason for JED not being 'open'. Now that JED is opening up the members get criticised. Perhaps encourage the positive steps that might bring about a positive change.

[JLinker]

Hmmm...Imagine Apple, Facebook, Google or Microsoft hoping that one day critics will stop. They're the best performers, but still, it's part of the package and a price to pay for popularity.

Drupal and Wordpresss ecosystems have critics too. Hoping that opening the JED would stop critics is a wish that is not supposed to come true. Avoiding critics is impossible. They are a base for improvement, and no one should ever stop improving.

But I agree with you, there are ways to criticize. As you say, staying positive is important. I'm not saying it's good but the thing is people often express frustration in their repeated requests for help and/or improvement, when they've been waiting for a long time.

You will answer that it's free and volunteer work, but someone trying to build a business on Joomla will not hear you.

[Vimes]

... And NOW you are calling for volunteer's help?...

Asking for volunteers is a big positive step. For a long time there have been post trying to justify the reason for JED not being 'open'. Now that JED is opening up the members get criticised. Perhaps encourage the positive steps that might bring about a positive change.

They've been asking for volunteers for years, and whenever we've offered we've been turned down. Every. Single. Time.

https://joomlaextensionsdirectory.atlas ... EV/summary is dead.

The JED is a mess, a bug-ridden shambles and it seems leaderless at the moment.

Development appears to have stalled completely, and the extension developers who're crying out for improvements because the clusterf**k that's the JED is hurting their livelihoods are forced to move onto other projects just to make ends meet.

And that's how you kill a project like Joomla, through neglect and inactivity.


The only thing that seems to be working is the editors ( bless their cotton socks).

[JLinker]

Is it because of the volunteer aspect of the work that twice 100% reviews give 73% overall for 1 extension, and 76% for another one?
The rating system is a central part of the JED, because it was designed that way.

Now we need it to work and be fair because it kills or feeds business. The subject has been around for a few years and it's frustrating to be waiting, even if it's volunteer work. Too many incoherences in there, for too long.

Opening the JED for example wouldn't make people nicer about the rating system not being coherent.

[Vimes]

Is it because of the volunteer aspect of the work that twice 100% reviews give 73% overall for 1 extension, and 76% for another one?

No. Would you believe, it was part of the paid for work?

[JLinker]

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