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@tcp

Beta2 can wait... I found this older picture... 

@infograf

Yeah, we're in DC now actually, staying at the hotel were Reagan was shot.  We've been doing our best protecting Jinx and were quite alarmed when a Santa Cruz Joomla user infiltrated security.  The lesson learned -- use filters ( see new methods in JRequest ).

tcp

Hi, tcp!

You're right, that inserting JTransliteration class in code is an architectural decision. But this is not an "extra feature", that may be not desirable before Beta2: this is a patch to make the subject of this thread work (please start reading from my first post in this thread: http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,140836.msg741426.html#msg741426).
So, if "transliteration waits", then "humanly readable links", about which Jinx wrote in the first message of this thread almost two months ago will have to wait too  - they simply don't work as intended for non-English content    - And we're building international Joomla!

Yuri -

I don't know the details of these decisions. But, I want to encourage your patience.

It is true, Joomla! v 1.5 Beta 2 is needed and it is the priority. The developers have been steadily working since September 2005 on this release. SEF URLs were not even planned for v 1.5 but I am SO glad this work has started.

It is obvious you are willing *and able* to do more than simply suggest good ideas. If you are patient, your work will be very useful to our community.

Welcome to Joomla!, Yuri. We are pleased to have you with us.

Amy

@tcp - In Nebraska, they want Joomla! B2, too!

Hi Yuri,

I'm in DC at the moment for the NTC and Pengiunday. I haven't had a time to look at your code yet, sorry about that. I'm hoping to be able to get too it in the coming days. Cannot make any promises as when that will be as I have a quite busy schedule next week and probably some jetlag to get rid off. But I have downloaded your work and I will give you feedback on it to see how we move forward, just a tad more patience.

Thanks,

Johan

Jinx, if you make it to boston in passing i got a fridge full of cold homebrew!

Another time, but I'll keep that in mind, that is if the invitation still stands ? 

Hi all,

I hope that this will be my last update about the changes with itemid before we release the beta 2. Based on feedback received we have made the following two major changes to the itemid refactoring in 1.5.

1. Added alias fields to all content tables

We have added alias capabilities to all the content tables for 1.5. This to prevent link collisions when you want to create for example a menu item with the same name twice. Before the alias was generated on the fly and this gave problems. So this one should be fixed. It also adds an interesting new possibilitiy ... if you can spot it

2. Changes to the component specific MyComponentParseRoute function.

The MyComponentParseRoute function now need to return an array with the parsed variables from the route. You need to make sure you pass this information back to the JRouter so he can store it. This allows you do to something like :



What happens here is that JRoute will use the parsed info (from the page URL) to create a full route and he will attach the &limitstart to it. This change allows you to append information to the route without the need to know the full raw route. We are using this in the pagebreak plugin and pagination API but you can easily use it in any module or plugin to create route based on the current active route.

These changes should conclude the work on Itemid for the moment. We have decided not to implement the proposed transliteration functions for beta 2. We are however looking at the proposed code and will offer feedback on that to see what we will do. Either leave it for 1.6 or do it after beta 2.

That's it so far, as always if you have any question let me know.

Johan

What that be the ability to do manual transliteration?

Ian

The alias fields are exposed as input fields in the UI which allows manual transliteration.

This works indeed fine. 

That's really a BIG understatement. All of it, priority as well as Sept. 2005..
[quote=∓quot;AmyStephen"\]SEF URLs were not even planned for v 1.5 but I am SO glad this work has started...[/quote]
Same as many othre things that weren't planned and which have and are delaying release more and more... and which we'll be glad to have once it's finally out!
[quote=∓quot;Jinx"\]...This change allows you to append information to the route without the need to know the full raw route. We are using this in the pagebreak plugin and pagination API but you can easily use it in any module or plugin to create route based on the current active route...[/quote] Johan, is there any info anywhere about what this "route" thing is..? tia

Yeah, it's all in this thread

oh no, 4 pages.. well, I guess I'll spend some time reading then..

jinx:

I'm noticing with the recent changes that a URL lacking an Itemid will default to the frontpage ( perhaps default menu item ).  The URL that I'm testing is as follows.


A few weeks ago, this URL would have given me my component and I think this is the desired behavior.  Now, I'll instead get the frontpage w/ a PHP notice.


Here's the code.


No menu item, so no surprise that there is a warning. 

The modules go nuts.  Screenshot attached.

This notice also appears when accessing the home page, eg, http://joomla/ .

If I specify an Itemid=1, then I get the desired component page.  So, is submitting an Itemid required now?  If the option argument is specified, I don't expect to see com_content. 

On Rev 7170, w/ SEF = no, mod_rewrite = no, w/out route.php

tcp

Cross-Reference: http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,161731.0.html


--edit added screenshot

I notied this too, small bug in the changed implementation. Sorry about that. I'm working on it at the moment, almost done. I'll let you know so you can recheck the issue.

Problems should be fixed now. Can you recheck ?

I have this problems since Rev. 7163:

• I get a php-message (Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in ...libraries/joomla/application/menu.php on line 249) if I call an URI without Itemid

hsm 

in 7173 the php notice is gone.

Unfortunately not on my system?
hsm

Guys could we move the bug reporting to the Q&T forum and keep this thread clean for discussions on the implementation ? Thanks.

What's about transliteration, I have some minor additions in mind, but I've decided to postpone them before I get any feedback from you.
So, pals, when work on this part of code will be active, I'm ready to do my best, just call me
--
Yuri

Thanks Yuri, once things settle down and beta 2 is out we can dive in again.

Hi guys. I apologize in advance if this turns out to be a completely n00b post

I don't wanna spoil any party you have going with this great new system (no pun intended), but I think you should be aware of one particular tidbit:

For background, I was directed here from this thread.

It seems Joomla system currently does not check for alias duplicates at any level. AFAIR, duplicates can cause some confusion in the system resulting in some menu items (articles) not being displayed correctly or not at all. I'm not sure, but perhaps it is also possible for this to mess up the actual menu display (my 2nd level menu items problem).

Is there a utility planned for duplicate checking? Or maybe even a check before the duplicate is inserted into the database in the first place?

I hope I'm being helpful and not just a pain in the arse

The new type of URL is great and I don't understand completely why you need an alias duplicate check... if the problem is in the menu...   

He is correcy the menu system doesn't have a duplicate alias check. This is a bug indeed and one that is one my list to fix.

Hi Johan,
Not sure if you have resolved this yet or how, but I was thinking an idea may be to use Ajax to check for duplicates on the alias field itself - as you type kind of thing like some search applications do it?

Apologies if I'm totally mis-understnading the issue, but I'm not a programmer. 

I also want to take this opportunity to thank you for taking on this project.

- Vince

If I understand this correctly, aliases are internal names of content in the joomla database. They are irrelevant for the end user. If this is correct then:
In this particular case (from a programmer POV) a simple check before insertion in the database would be quite enough. If the duplicate check fails, a fall back can easily be implemented to generate a unique alias without even reporting anything back to the user.
The only problem I see with this is that the aliases are used on many types of content and therefore there are many insertion / update points to correct. I did not analyze the code enough to verify this problem, so I may be off miles here

In 1.5, the alias becomes more visible as it is used in the generation of SEF urls.  That is why a lot of alias fields were added to the database.  But I don't think you would want to do AJAX to check this.  I think a check in the script somewhere would be sufficient, and report an error and go back if we need to force the selection of a different one.

Ian

Hi all ,
I'm using Joomla! 1.5 beta 2.
I tested 2 ways below :
1.
  $link =JRoute::_('index.php?option=com_reports');
  $this->setRedirect($link,'Saved article successuflly');
2.
  $link ='index.php?option=com_reports' ;
  $this->setRedirect($link,'Saved article successuflly');
but it doesn't work.
The correct url I want to server redirect to include Itemid =x
In the first way ,error 500 occurs because url lack Itemid param.
In the second way ,url is as follow :
  index.php?option=com_reports&Itemid=5
and error 500 occurs.
If I use  $link =JRoute::_('index.php?option=com_reports' ,false) ; Joomla redirect to old web page after doing a task .This isn't web page I want to redirect.
Please ,help me !!!