Asphyx wrote:
Joe obviously you have never coded a project the size of Joomla before...
You can't set a deadline for release and have a regular schedule like it's a paycheck or something...
That isn't how it works...
Thats what the bean counters at the gaming developers try to do and it results in 20 patches before the product even works as advertised...
..Joomla usually only needs about 2 or 3 patches to fix bugs in minor 1.0.x releases.. good!
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And some features interrelate with other systems...something line internationalization interacts with just about EVERY system...
It isn't some "We added modules this week) kind of upgrade...
It required massive changes to the rest of the code....
Now if you wanted it to keep on schedule then what you would have got was NO internationalization since it could not be expedited without all these other changes...
IT would be the last thing done then...
you wanted it done first!
Well to do that other things needed to be changed forst and so they did it but doing caused a missed deadline!
All I can say is if it really bothers you then you can always go back and see if Mambo 4.6 gives you what you want!
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Well done man, you managed to reply with the same exact words anyone always gets when critizing here: no one is forcing you to use it, try another one.. Great answer, instead of thinking about what is behind the critics, tell the people to take a walk...
Why talk about something you don't know anything about? Here's a full quote from Jinx from October 25th 2005: "Just wanted to inform u personaly that we are releasing an alphe tomorrow for the TT teams." (TT= translation). I still have 4.5.3 svn code I'd be glad to send you.. everything was right there! It just needed to be released, and all this 6 months refactoring could've been done once an international version was usable! How hard is it to understand that? Later, as it became obvious release was not going to happen, we asked again about admin language hack, and a hardcoded translation, and were told it was not necessary, 1.1 was almost ready. Months ago. These are facts. I didn't want it done first, the many many international users who do not speak english, but still would like to use Joomla, did. These are the people we and others support. Also for free, in our spare time. I do not need a french backend, my english is good enough.
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Or better yet...
Start coding the thing youself and see what it actually takes to add something on a regular schedule...
Why don't you code me a Joomla with full PatTemplates support...
I'll expect it by friday....
And if you don't then I guess I can blame you for not having proper management and not serving my needs...
No one here owes you anything!
You are getting way more than you paid for!
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT CODE!
Why doesn't anyone seem to understand this? This is about the whole Joomla project! What is it's goal, it's mission, it's target audience? Why is anyone working on this at all? Just for the fun of it? Good for you if you answer yes, like me. If not, why are you here? What is this project for YOU? Where is it going? What are the plans about version 2? Is the current refactoring going to be integrated into, and speed up, the dev' of that version? Who are the target users of that "framework"? Framework for what? Who decides what goes into core, and based on what general plan?
Ok, no one asked any of the international support site admins and contributors to do anything. SO? Just because they provide their help without asking for anything in return, and promoting J! in their country, they are not to be aknowledged beecause Core can't CONTROL them? Dammit, is this Open Source, or is this some kind of totalitarian state, where only the internal government knows anything and takes all decisions? Do I need to post a list of all the major decisions taken recently without ever asking anyone from the community, and announcements about which were posted only after much of the same discussion as is going on here? (wonder when this thread will be closed btw?)
Why do all comments always have to be positive? Why is all criticism always frowned upon and dismissed, and never once is there a "yes, that *could* be true, we'll think about it and get back to you guys on that point"? Why is everyone only concerned bu CODE? This is a project, not only code. Thousands and tousands of people. 40000+ posts on the french forum (there's 2 of them, this is just one), 170000 on the German ones, almost 19000 on the italian ones etc etc, these are posts not on this forum here, but 3rd party support sites. You can check how many language forums exist here, and how many posts each one holds, by yourself. Maybe you'll understand why an international version last October would've been better, even if less well coded, then waiting another 6 months?!
I think during the last two years, I have defended joomla more often than you, I have also critizised more than once, which is apparently percieved as trying to stir trouble. Why? I am not attacking anyone here, I am just talking about what looks to me like points that could be worked on (yes I know, I'll get good ole "there's just -how many was it, Phil? x seconds in a day" again - I've read ALL the standard answers so many times now.. ). If I'm wrong, please explain why and answer above question?
Oh, boring..
"nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all, the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before" (from a song by DelAmitri, 80's)
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