@jt3 : thanks for your answer and offer for help.
You posted while I was answering to johnyfav. I do agree with your analisys. On 1/, I think Google can access the site fairly well.
With respect to 2/ I know the relation between my content and the keywords I am looking for is not so good yet, and I will work on this.
However, what's happening currently is that the site do not show up at all ! For example, If I search for the 3 words of the content's title of the main page ('bienvenue chez holiform', marked as in HTML, holiform being in the page and also in the description META and the keywords META), this yields 0 results (actually it lists 1 result, a directory site in the USA listing our site!).<br /><br />You see what I mean when I say there is someting else ? <br />To add to the sate of confusion I am in, in preparation to this reply, I just checked again doing site:www.holiform.com, and the main page just showed up again. It has been cached on sept. 10. Then 2 minutes later I try again, and it does not show again.<br /><br />So maybe the index is being updated and better not touch anything for a little while ?<br /><br />Regards
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Give the sitemap time. Do you add content all the time? If so submit it everyday?<br /><br />The other pages will eventually get Page rank. What you have to remember is that toolbar page rank (the green bar on the google toolbar) and ACTUAL page rank are very different. Actual page rank is updated all the time. What you see on the toolbar is not.<br /><br />The sandbox is a theory. When google first looks at a site it gives you a boost in rankings because your site is new. Then it gives you a penalty so that your site does not rank for sometime. Then you come out of the sandbox and as long as your site is not doing anything wrong will start to rank well.<br /><br />Also JT3 has a point. I do not believe that out of the box joomla/mambo install is perfect for SEO. Make sure you include your keyword for that page in -<br /><br />H1 Tag<br />H2 Tag<br />H3 Tag<br /><b> or <strong><br /><i> or <em><br />the alt tag of an image.<br /><br />The other thing to change is the way the <title> tag works. I go for "Page Title - Sitename" I think mambo/joomla does it the other way round?<br /><br />Also don't write pages for search engines. Write them for people with the above in mind.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br />Added! Seeing your site and then not seeing your site is the datacenters updating. Give it a couple of days and it'll level out!
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />@johnyfav : I understand what you are saying, and try to do it as much as I can. This will imply some content rewording, and I am willing to do it. However, I first would like to see things working as 'expected', if there is such a thing.<br /><br />If you look again at the example given above, looking for 'Bienvenue chez Holiform' just follow every basic rules that jt3 and yourself laid out about <h?>, title and keywords. I would expect to rank pretty high on this, whatever the competition on these keywords (which I think is nil!). At least the page should show up, even if it is on page 20 or 30 of Google results.<br /><br />So maybe I just have to wait some more till everything settles...<br /><br />One question : what were the one or tow other things you mentioned in your first reply ??
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Urm - I just did a little bit more digging.<br /><br />If you search for :<br /><br />site:www.holiform.com<br /><br />On google you have quite a lot of results that are "Supplemental Result" and/or don't have the correct title.<br /><br />My experience is that google has crawled the pages without the title and is waiting to put the in it's index.<br /><br />My best advice would be to sit tight for a few days and make sure that googlebot is visiting regularly. Also try to get a couple more links back to your site. Hope this helps!
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Thanks for the digging. Could you clarify what you mean by 'google has crawled the pages without the title' ? how can he collect the page content and not the title ?<br /><br />or maybe you can direct me to some sort of tutorial about Google ?<br /><br />Regards
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Actually a little digging finds that only your admin sections have no title and EVERYTHING else is Supplemental Result. I would say that google is in the process of updating your site.
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<td><b>shumisha</b> [ Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:09 pm ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Let's wait then, thanks for your help!
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />What wouldn't hurt is going to find a load of directories and getting some links back - <br /><br />Look here <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.best-web-directories.com">http://www.best-web-directories.com</a><!-- m --><br /><br />That isn't my site or anything, just found it a while back.
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<td><b>shumisha</b> [ Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:17 pm ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Thanks, will do.
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Sorry to bring this back up but I'm really struggling with the mod rewrite thing,<br /><br />Could you post the code that you use to -<br /><br />b - Changed .htaccess so that mysite.com is permanently redirected (301 redirect) to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --><br />c - Changed .htaccess so that <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/home/">http://www.mysite.com/home/</a><!-- w --> is permanently redirected to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --> (<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/home/">http://www.mysite.com/home/</a><!-- w --> being the first item in my main menu)<br /><br />Many Thanks
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<td><b>shumisha</b> [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:08 am ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Hi johnifav, <br /><br />Here is what I am using; part is collected from posts on <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.webmasterworld.com">http://www.webmasterworld.com</a><!-- w --> (quite useful site), part I came up with.<br /><br /># Rule for duplicate content removal : <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --> vs mysite.com<br /><br />RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^mysite\.com [NC]<br />RewriteRule (.*) <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/$1">http://www.mysite.com/$1</a><!-- m --> [R=301,L,NC]<br /><br /># Rule for duplicate content removal : <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/home/">http://www.mysite.com/home/</a><!-- w --> link to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --><br /><br />RewriteRule ^home/$ <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/">http://www.mysite.com/</a><!-- m --> [R=301,L,NC]<br /><br />[NC] is there to make it case insensitive<br />[R=301] makes it a permanent redirection<br />[L] makes a rule the last one to be used<br />^ marks the beginning of a string<br />$ marks the end of a string<br />as . is special character, you must escape it using \ when you have to use it in a string : mysite\.com<br />In the first Rewriterule, . means any character, * means any number of said character, so .* means any string<br />Putting it in between parenthesis (.*) makes that string a variable, re-used later in the rule as $1 (there could be more variables, named $2, $3,... in sequence)<br /><br />I have seen also a variation of the first part similar to :<br /><br /># Rule for duplicate content removal : <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --> vs mysite.com<br /><br />RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.mysite\.com [NC]<br />RewriteRule (.*) <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/$1">http://www.mysite.com/$1</a><!-- m --> [R=301,L,NC]<br /><br />The difference is : in the first version, only mysite.com is 301-redirected to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com;">http://www.mysite.com;</a><!-- w --> <br />In the second version, any subdomain is 301-redirected to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com">http://www.mysite.com</a><!-- w --> (like : whatever.mysite.com or thisIsATyyypo.mysite.com), except if the subdomain actually exists. However, I have not tested this version at all.<br />As in other programming language, the ! looks negates the value of the subsequent statement.<br /><br />Hope it will also work for you,<br /><br />Regards
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<td><b>johnyfav</b> [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:57 am ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Give that man a medal!!!!!
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<td><b>shumisha</b> [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:12 am ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Thanks,<br /><br />My favourite ones are chocolate medals. Dunno if you can email that though.<br />In any case, please try it first with your host before going into any such expense!
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<td><b>erikh</b> [ Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:30 pm ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />I hope I'm not too late to this discussion but I'd really like to know how to implament this change?<br /><br /><strong>d - Changed includes/pathway.php so that the link to 'home' displayed in the pathway ('Home > News > News #1' for example) is <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/">http://www.mysite.com/</a><!-- w --> instead of <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/index.php">http://www.mysite.com/index.php</a><!-- w --></strong><br /><br />I've made those other changes and wanted to thank you guys for the code!
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<td><b>shumisha</b> [ Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:32 pm ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />@erikh, as per your recent message, here is what I changed in includes/pathway.php, on line 263 (Mambo 4.5.2.3)<br /><br />if ( eregi( 'option', $optionstring ) && trim( $path ) ) {<br /><br /> /* Shumisha 2005-09-12 : home links to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/">http://www.mysite.com/</a><!-- w --> rather than <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mysite.com/index.php">http://www.mysite.com/index.php</a><!-- w --> for SEO */<br /> /* Old code : */<br /> /* $home = '<a href="'. sefRelToAbs( 'index.php' ) .'" class="pathway">'. $home .'</a>'; */<br /> /* New code : */<br /> $home = '<a href="'. sefRelToAbs( '' ) .'" class="pathway">'. $home .'</a>';<br /> /* Shumisha 2005-09-12 : end of change */<br /> }<br /><br />That's it !
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<td><b>erikh</b> [ Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:51 pm ]</td>
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<td colspan="2"><hr class="sep" />Hey thanks again. My coding skills aren't all that deep, that info really helped!
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