Dead huh....slinky wrote:And again, rest easy that while you very likely won't get sued, be prepared for the fact that development of those extensions will no longer occur. Many essentials in your site are now "dead" for development purposes and especially as they relate to transition to 1.5.speeduneed wrote: Again...JoomlaChurch
if you paid for a commercial non GPL extention and you used it with your GPL extention then you are not in violation.
Its the person who is selling his program under a more limiting licence that needs to come into compliance not you.
Louis, yeah, I think you're right. I apologize for not making my feelings perfectly clear but they weren't malicious at all. My point wasn't the age dig for the sake of condescension. You'll see. It's the fact that to him there was no sense of urgency to get anything done. I'm also not married. But I completely appreciate how my independence, especially when I was younger and subsidized, didn't allow me to see how much pressure people have to earn money -- especially with dependents. When I was in college I could AFFORD to be an idealist!!! I empathize with developers who are telling me that while perhaps the GPL may, perhaps, work out for humanity in the long run, for many here they must deal with the immediate needs of putting bread on the table for several dependents. I apologize if it came out a little snide.
My point about the superlawyers, yeah, perhaps again a little bit of fun. I'm very concerned not about the legalities but about practical repercussions here and we are seeing them. I hope to help avoid this. I know that my sites - and I'm not alone - will feature a significant number of integral extensions that will now be discontinued.
How about this for productive -- we start by listing all the extensions in our library that are now non-compliant and which developers may or may not decide to continue to support? Then we can all see and quantify just what the potential damage could be and exactly what potential holes we now need to fill.
One caveat all - not fearmongering, just the sad truth. Remember -- newcomers will now be unable to use these extensions at all. They will look at those of us who purchased with significant envy. Those require the permission of developers who will now no longer be offering them for sale...
Well most of the commerical NON compliant apps have GPL counter parts. I would highly bet that if those apps
disappeared tommorrrow it would cause people to finish up the GPL counter parts ones quickly to fill the need.
If those app stop development they would most likely want to get every last penny out of the extention as possiable so I would bet that they will keep selling for as long as they can or until the product stop selling. I highly doubt that if a commercial non compliant extention is selling well that they will stomp off and shut down their profit center. Sure some non profit generating one will. But if people are greedy then they will continue to sell the ion cube encoded apps.
Again nothing has really changed except we are now out of the Joomla "Dont ask Dont tell" policy period.
At this point the decision and statement cannot be reversed and no commerical developer is being shut down. Those people are our friends as you are.
If you are super smart and you want to become a Joomla commercial GPL compliant developer then now is the best time to change your tune. We have the Core Teams Ear!!!!!!! They rarely break silence this way and I would bet that you would find them more then willing to find ways to help us make money with Joomla that fits in the GPL eco system model.
I would also bet if some of those commercial non compliant developers would say "ok" we accept the GPL and back us up here then they might get real support in the future for helping everyone to make money.
Even the movie industry understands this. They have changed the speed DVD's are released because they understand that people and software move fast. Lets help build a model for people to take advantage of that.
Hell lets show the world that "open source matters" and open source can make us all wealth. Nothing better then to show everyone this model can be VERY successful.
First since I am now over the fact that we are a GPL compliant biz then I want core to tell us what moves they can do for people like me to help me make money. Software bountys, subscription models, paid support ticket system, integrated services and reseller programs etc etc.
The community has spent enough time developing the core software. Lets spend some time building up some models to help individual developers who want to work on GPL compliant extentions. Then lets make the profitability public knowledge so that other developers can learn how tto increase their own profitability.
I see stuff like...
I start an extention on the Joomla site and people can sign up for a few types of subscription models.
individual extention subscription
complete extention subscriptions
template subscritpions
security notifications subscriptions
support ticket subscritptions with direct access to the developer
review system where the support tickets are open so that everything is public knowledge etc
I know this might be way off for a free community. But we also agree that we have a success with Joomla and open source.
Lets also show our commitment not to slam the developers like Phil, Emir and others who I think has been a hugely help and great assest to our community.
I would hate to see them go over their need to make a living. We as a community should be able to help any developer who is dedicated and works hard to be able to make a real living developing real software for Joomla.