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Hi Community!

I think for newbies like me, who just works since a year or whatelse with Joomla but have programming limits, a basic tutorial for migrating 1.5.22 (or 1.5.x) to 1.6 will be important.

My fear is not only that there is probably no commitment to components, but my data from Community Builder, reviews, pictures, etc.. will disappear if i fail with the upgrade... My doubts:

a) If you overwrite files will be obsolete, which is a security risk

b) what and which to delete directories? For example, the image directory and half the need because there are hundreds of objects related to texts (videos, images, etc.).

I already know step 1: take the backup manually.

What other steps should follow? which directories to delete, wich files? what about the 1.5.22 config file?

Thank you very much! Also, I think this question will help many users of Joomla because, let's face it: in a few months only will be developed components, modules, etc. for 1.6 -the most-. I think we need to update to 1.6 shortly.

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I am quite disappointed to hear that the transition to 1.6 from 1.5 will be a "Migration" and not an "upgrade". I can understand going from 1.0 to 1.5 since 1.0 was the initial build and still had alot of mambo code - but going from 1.5 to 1.6 I really thought you guys could've figured it out by now and streamlined an upgrade. It took many tedious hours to migrate from 1.0 to 1.5 with alot of frustration / data loss and my site is not even that big. I'm not looking forward to another migration and probably not the only one. I truly appreciate all the work that went into making 1.6 probably the best CMS out there, but with all that hard work it's such a shame that there are many loyal 1.5 users that will be frustrated and confused by this daunting task. The main question for most 1.5 users will be is it worth the time, effort and most importantly, risk.

I think the same. I'm going to explain, but my english is ... exotic.

I started with 1.5 in its first releases, because i thought that 1.0 will be obsolet in a few time, so most developers will work with 1.5. That's fine. It's a choose. I had read that a lot of 1.0 users lost datas, have a lot of issues, etc upgrading or migrating to 1.5.

But now, the new 1.6 was not an upgrade of 1.5. It's a rebuilding, from zero, more or less, and Joomla Team hasn't build a tutorial, script, or anything, for users to migrate/update from 1.5 to 1.6. They thinkg, maybe: sooner or later, all will migrate to 1.6, that's how tech works, in advance.

But, ¿what about all the problems relationated with migration? That's a hard work. It was a hard work for newbies and medium users to learn Joomla! and watch it working in a hosting. Joomla! is open source, and must be the most easiest to learn the developers can.

But now, ¿they want all 1.5 users MIGRATE whithout any tutorial or recommendations to 1.6? What about issues, data loss, problems, etc? They should do a tutorial, for a 1.5 standard user, and show us how to migrate. 99% of Joomla! users works with 1.5.x.

The solution to the migration version of Joomla! is a part of the prestige, status, of the CMS. They can't abandon 1.5 users like "it's your problem, uses jupgrade or something". No: the customer service must work fine for 1.5 users and should work in a decent, basic, tested tutorial. So we have 2 options: migration or 1.5 til the developers end their components for 1.5. That's a wrong decision, no doubt about it.

Edit: yes, it was a lot of time, risks, data losts, headaches, testing, etc. to learn Joomla! 1.5.x and now i really don't have time and i'm afraid to data losts, etc. with the migration. I must think about it, so while there's no official tutorial, help guide or something similar, i'm not going to migrate to 1.6. I have a small community with payment and subscriptions, wich i inverted my money, and it's a big risk now to start again. A Joomla! site is not build in a few months: to have the actual result, years. And patience. Thanks for 1.6, sure is the best, i love Joomla!, but this way was a wrong decision for me.

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Its a bad news, but its true and we cant do anything about it.

If you want to stay with Joomla 1.5 , then its fine, since 90% of Joomla users, are going to stay with it.
Others, just try the migration process using jUpgrade.

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I don't believe that for a second.



I do believe that because without a relatively easy and stable way of migrading, nobody is going to do it. So then you have to ask yourself, what was the point of 1.6 if 90% of your uses aren't going to use it?

I just found that there is component called jUpgrade http://www.matware.com.ar/joomla/jupgrade.html. They state: "It is a simple Joomla 1.5 component that will download a version
of Joomla 1.6, decompress it and install it. After that, it should
migrate all of the data from old Joomla 1.5 to the new Joomla 1.6
installation. Looks Promising, but didn't work for me.
It stopped on downloading J1.6. If you guys could try and let us know if there is a hope.

Watch it guys...beggars can't be choosers...

A lot of people have put in a lot of volunteer work on this project. They are not getting paid for their work. So if you haven't paid, nothing is owed to you, so there should be no reason for complaining.

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sure we can, we can choose wordpress.

plenty of us have donated, bought shirts and clicked ads.

Hi defeedme,

While it is true that you can choose Wordpress, you can also choose macaroni and cheese . The point is people are complaining about not having things related to Joomla, so the choosing is not in reference to a cms (or mac and cheese) it is in reference to Joomla.

From the posts I have read, it seems that the development team really wanted to have a core upgrade path, but because the changes from 1.5 to 1.6 were so huge, and it took 3 years to get to this point, they did not want to delay the release indefinitely. Creating an upgrade path for the huge changes between 1.5 and 1.6, which have been a huge undertaking in itself.

As to the donations, I am glad you have donated; I really am! However, my idea still applies "A lot of people have put in a lot of volunteer work on this project. They are not getting paid for their work. So if you haven't paid, nothing is owed to you, so there should be no reason for complaining." Your donations do not go to their pockets...it goes straight back into the community. They are volunteers; they don't get paid.

Furthermore, donations are donations, it is not the same as paying for a product. We are not their clients and nothing is owed to us. You bought the shirt. That's owed to you.

I won't even touch on clicking ads...

Anyway, my main point is give the guys a break. They are real people that also only have 24 hour days just like we do. They are doing their work for free and are providing things for free to you.

Kind regards,
Nick

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You can to download this package manually:

anonymous:@joomlacode.org/svn/joomla/development/branches/jupgrade/pack/joomla16.zip

and put it into the ROOT/tmp directory. Then, go to preferences and set "skip download" to yes.

then run jUpgrade again

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Hi Mr. UnWorthySlave,
You have a good point, and I respect it. But there are always two sides to every coin. If we have to "migrate" again, we can just as easily migrate to wordpress. Most have invested alot of time into learning Joomla, so that would not be a good option, but i'm sure some will. Wordpress ain't all that bad (I happen to like mac&cheese!) I find it amazing that there are so many major changes between 1.5 and 1.6 - so I guess going to 2.0 will be huge also and require yet another migration. The fact that there are so many major changes between 1.5 and 1.6 also scares me a little. Consistency is very important and having to migrate and re-write components/modules every time seems very tedious and inefficient. Having to "hope" that all the components/modules currently in use will be re-written for 1.6 is ludicrous. Then having to risk using legacy mode and have something break ? I'm sure this debate will go on forever until a solid solution is presented. I would gladly pay for a solid upgrade solution rather than spend hours / days migrating again. ~Best, Mike

Hi Mike,

Glad to hear! You bring up some very good points too.



It really depends on the site whether or not you can easily migrate to Wordpress. I would venture to say that 98% of sites currently running on Joomla 1.5 wouldn't be just as easy to migrate to Wordpress as it would to Joomla 1.6. I do see your point though!

However, that is not the big issue. The issue is that there are many things that Wordpress just can't do that Joomla can. Wordpress is very, very well suited for smaller, simple sites, while Joomla can better handle medium to the lower end of large sites.



I totally agree with you here! In fact I really like what Wordpress has to offer and Wordpress is currently, in my opinion, the best choice out of the big 3 CMSs (Joomla, Wordpress, and Drupal) for smaller, simple sites. As to the mac and cheese, so do I We actually had it several times this last week Maybe that's why it came to mind



Yes, 1.5 and 1.6 is a bit misleading. It might be better to think of 1.6 as really being of a "2.0" standing.




Here is the really exciting part We are now at 1.6 (which took 3 years by the way), according to Joomla, 1.7 will be released sometime in June/July. After reading that you may be wondering why so soon? Well the way I understand it, Joomla has switched their development strategies and they are now on a cyclic 6 month release schedule. e.g. 1.7 in June/July, 1.8 six months later, 1.9 six months later, etc.

Because of that schedule, upcoming releases will be a lot smaller and a lot more focused. e.g. For one release, they might mostly focus on SEO. The next release they might mostly focus on making the administrative backend more intuitive and easier to use. That doesn't mean they will only work on one specific area, but the general idea is smaller, more manageable and more frequent releases. In fact, they are taking the community's suggestions via http://ideas.joomla.org/forums/84261-joomla-idea-pool Guess what's number 1 on the list? Automatic core updates

This introduces another exciting aspect. The 6 month, smaller, more manageable releases makes it a lot easier to have an upgrade path. Here is the really good news, there will be a core upgrade path from 1.6 to 1.7 and respectively for future versions (for quite some time)

Here is the part I am not sure about, but I thought I read somewhere. There may be plans to have a core automatic update for 3rd party extensions. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this...

Kind regards,
Nick

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Hi

Just to put in my twopence worth. Sorry if this is a bit ranty (is that a word?)

Open Source development relies on cooperative often free donation of time and resources to produce a truly collaborative, organic and inclusive production model (compare that to Microsoft etc). Compare this with the commercial software model most of us has grown up with, ie, you shell out $299.99 (notice the dirty pricing) for a cardboard box as big as a cereal package that contains a single DVD in it and an order slip for the manual which costs another $9.99 (more dirty pricing) and probably half an amazon forest to produce etc etc.

Then you log onto their help desk forum and realise it is full of people wetting their pants and howling about NOT GETTING THEIR MONIES WORTH!!!!

This is the reciprocal software model: you put in 25 and expect 25 back! you fork out $299.99 and expect full attention, absolute devotion, total obedience back for that money. You want suckling and you want it NOW!

When it comes to Joomla; it is not built on the reciprocal, breast feeding model, or the finance model, or the dirty pricing model. It is built on the cooperative, collaborative, open source model and that requires a seed change in thinking, responding and even expecting anything.

The question is; are these 'critics' prepared to change themselves to become the world they want to see?

The best way to get Joomla 1.6 the way YOU want it, is to contribute toward MAKING it like that, in other words you have to MAKE the software you want to see, not expect it to be the software you want it to be without you having to change anything a jot.

It's what we call the 'nanny state' in the UK; everybody behaving like babies in prams expecting someone to plug a nice warm bottle of milk into our hungry pouting mouths; or even better a nice suckling breast called the welfare state.

The nanny state is endemic, destroying our world and our communities, and we should be ashamed.

Thank goodness we HAVE open source amongst us, it is the light of inspiration and hope we all need in these dark days of suckling bankers and dire, murky headline makers we call the media.

WELL DONE all the Joomla developers, WELL DONE all the component makes doing this for free, for the love of free development, collaboration and the excitement of knowing so many businesses, charities, voluntary organisations and individuals are benefiting SO MUCH from your efforts.

I built a website using Joomla for a Community Health Arts in the Community project in Bath, UK, and they regularly get really desperate, unhappy people coming via their website to get the mental health support they so desperately need. Because it is free (they have no money), and easy to learn and update, I was able to use Joomla to make them a really attractive, amazing little website for them to maintain themselves, and it even attracted a major UK film director to become Patron after he visited their site.

THANKS JOOMLA - you are saving lives also!

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barry

Hi diavolo32 and everyone else,

I hope this will help!
http://www.ostraining.com/blog/joomla/h ... -15-to-16/

If you have any suggestions to add to it, let me know.

I am trying to find out more about the template upgrade aspect of jUpgrade but there isn't a whole lot of documentation on it, so hopefully I'll have a chance to go through the code sometime soon or someone else will shed some light on it.

Kind regards,
Nick

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Have fun "migrating" your Community Health Arts site to 1.6 ! I'm sure it will be painless

Excellent article. I followed step-by-step and upgrade was successfull!

After successful upgrade from 1.5.22 to 1.6 using jUpgrade, I found all is well except:

(1) Categories were missing; those were all converted into Public

(2) Module Mgr >> all Menus had disappeared, only Home under Main Menu showing

(3) Akeeba Backup installation succeeded but kickstart 3.1.5 failed with MSG: "JInstaller: :Install: Cannot find XML setup file". Same was the situation on Joomla 1.5.22 before upgrade.

(4) JCE Editor's latest com_jce_1576_package installation failed with error MSG: "Fatal error: Call to undefined method JXMLElement::getElementByPath() in /.../com_jce/install.php on line 86". This was successfully installed on Joomla 1.5.22 before upgrade.

(5) com_ninjaxplorer_1.0.6 installation failed with warning MSG: "The PHP temporary directory is the directory that PHP uses to store an uploaded file before Joomla! can access this file. Whilst the directory not being set isn't always a problem, if you are having issues with manifest files not being detected or uploaded files not being detected, setting this in your php.ini file might fix the issue". This was successfully installed on Joomla 1.5.22 before upgrade.

Hi maanojrakhit,

1) and 2) are know issues that they are working on.

3) 4) and 5) During what step did you get the error messages?

Kind regards,
Nick

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p.s. mind posting this here? http://matware.com.ar/foros/jupgrade.html

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Thanks, Nick:

3, 4, 5) after installation process was over, the final msg (instead of successful completion)

Done. Shall revert with feedback when I hear from them.