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Hi ProtoPC,

You can add the following line to /administrator/components/com_jfusion/vbulletin/admin_forum.php around line 187: (this will ensure vbulletin logout from Joomla)



What host are you using now, as I am fed up with my current host and are looking for a better one.

Cheers, Marius

I am going to wait for your next version to try JFusion again.

I use Serverbeach/Peer1...the best people I have used for dedicated servers by far. Used to be with The Planet.

Hi, first of all i would like to thank you for writing this excellent mod !! (and for doing it for free)
i use vbulleting 3.6.8 and have jfusion 1.0.4a installed

i have serveral questions & errors (but it works somehow)

when i log in to the joomla site it shows my username as in the forum but above my page it gives an error :

please fill in valid emailaddress
E_NOLOGIN_ACCESS

when i leave the page (close it) and come back to it, the error is gone

neether my joomla or forum ar on rootfolder of the webserver

questions :
why is jfusion.org offline ?
installation : cookie name , default is bb during wizard , is this correct or does vbulletin use vb as name instead ?
i changed forum cookiepath from / to /community/ and also in the joomla settings but it does not help (don't even know its related)

thx 4 your advice on my feedback

why is jfusion.org offline ?

This one is easy. If you read the posts before you will know.

I use site5 http://www.site5.com/and they are ok always tries to do their best I believ and they just move to The planet hosting.

[OT] I'm also using site5 for almost three years now and never had any hacked website. Their support is amazingly friendly as well.. I strongly recommend.[/OT]

Yes - I had the same problem until I set session timeouts to be the same for Joomla and vBulletin. Once I did that, everything worked as expected. I've tried BBPixel but jFusion seems to work better and more predictably. I'm using J! 1.5 & vBulletin 3.6.8. I'm hopeful that development work will continue so that user sync along with Community Builder will soon be a possibility.

Marius,
Nice job. Please continue

Bcs CB have left the GPL arena I really hope that this CB rival will be a better choice of the future. Integrated with AEC subscription component (GPL) and also using Jfusion ? here is the discussion you can reg for free https://globalnerd.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=88&func=view&id=6536&catid=11&limit=15&limitstart=0

Decided to put JFusion back on my test site...cywire.com. Have sessions in Joomla 1.5 and VBulletin 3.7 b5 at 1800 sec and added the code you mentioned above. Synced the first login but not after I tried it again. Took the line of code back out and cleared my cookies and sessions from database...still no sync after the first sync.

If I run the repair/optimize database in VB, then I am able to get one dual sync login again. After logout they do not sync. Session times are the same. Hope that helps.

anyone got it working with ipb??

invision has a external authorisation path to access it

Will JFusion eventually work with Gallery software like Gallery2?

That bridge is another mess and I would like to avoid when I make the jump to 1.5 and this looks like it's going to solve my forum problem.

Ok...

Had no problems installing jfusion, using phpBB with 1.5

Just want to be certain that I have full understanding of where we are at..

All authentication is now carried out through phpBB, this works fine and tests OK.

I also have no probs at present logging in on main site, registered users get access to registered content, admin get access to admin content etc.

But there is no other link at present, i.e. If I login on one side, either BB or site, it doesn't notify the other side of my status.

So although we are only using one database for authentication, there is no notification.. Is that correct?

I always insist that JFusion must walk the way like JSMF did. Otherwise, it will not be a satisfying Bridge Component.

So, stop those insignificant arguments about [censored] license and care more about the user experiences !

Yes you are correct derektim. No changes are made to the forum software, therefore when you login/logout through the forum the Joomla sessions are not changed. The dual-login feature has not been implemented for phpBB3, where a user is automatically logged into the forum software, when login into Joomla. This dual-login feature has been implemented for: vbulletin, myBB.



Have a look at the user reviews of the SMF bridge hack. It is full of people that can not install or that their site was broken after upgrade. I have had similar problems with other bridges. Next version of JFusion will support 6 different softwares. To make core hacks is a developers nightmare, as for EACH new release of either software, all the hacked files will need to be recreated by the developer. It is extremely time consuming and buggy, as most softwares have a dozen releases per year.

JFusion will keep on working regardless if you upgrade the forum or joomla software. (if the upgrade does not make major changes to the database structures).

Yes making a license compatible bridge is a pain. But I believe that adhering to the license is very important for both the developer and the end-user. Say you have developed this awesome site with a great bridge. Next thing the bridge is canceled because of licensing issues. Then you have two options: (1) keep on running your site with old versions that have security issues or (2) start your integration from scratch again and dump all your hard work.

There are also performance issues to consider. The full visual integration that is usually wanted, works by directly loading the source files of both softwares. Besides the licensing issues, this also doubles the server load which is a big issue for big sites. That is why the Joomla forum runs as a phpBB3 standalone with the templates matched.

You can make a plugin for the forum software, or change the forum softwares template to create a more "tight" integration. However, I can tell you know that JFusion will not go the way of the JSMF bridge hack. Too many problems associated with that route.

Cheers, Marius

I have used JSMF for more than one year. It worked very well. Recently somebody reported that it can't support Joomla! 1.0.14, so I did not upgrade my Joomla! and will do a test before do the upgrade on my production site.

Yes, you are right. When the developer of JSMF canceled the follow-up upgrading, it is very bad when Joomla! and SMF release a new version.

But, I have two questions:

1. why they canceled JSMF ? It is because of the arguments of license. Just like the joomla.org forum departed SMF and turn to phpbb3, this is a reason of PEOPLE, nothing about TECH.

2. Do you really think Joomla! or other software that to be integrated will keep release patches for ever ? I don't think so. The time window between patches will be longer and longer as both softwares became maturer and maturer.

And you must know that JSMF hacks ONLY one file on each side. So it is not too hard to upgrade it with the new release of other software.

You mentioned about the performance. Yes, JSMF-like bridge will increase the loading of server. But not that much. On the other hand, did you heard of that there is another way to build a web server with NginX which will be 10 times faster than Apache ?

Let me make this topic deeper.

I always regard Joomla as a platform for web programs. Although it is not that great now, I hope it will be. Just like Windows on PC. Don't you think an OS-like platform is very useful for building websites ?

If we make Joomla! the universal web-OS, then other softwares MUST consider to make themselves easier to be bridged/wrapped inside Joomla, if they REALLY want to integrate with Joomla. Why just leave this problem to Joomla users? Don't they get profit from this integration? Why they can't change something to make the integration easier?

The developers of other softwares that want to marry with Joomla also has the responsibility to CHANGE or make a new branch of their release.

At last, again I want to emphasize the user side experience. Now it is very hard to make the theme unified. So don't tell me how many software you can integrate, it means nothing if we users don't use it.

Just think about Windows and Linux/Unix, why people refuse to use Linux ? Because it is [censored] hard to use! Why Ubuntu was successful? Because they make Linux more easier! This choice has nothing to do with price. You know, Linux and Ubuntu are both free, but I still choose Windows XP because it is more easier to use.

Question 1: Long discussion you will need to google this to get a long answer on why JSMF was canceled. It was canceled for legal reasons. SMF does not want to have code changes distributed by 3rd party and Joomla does not want its software to be integrated with non-GPL softwares.

You are really oversimplifying issues here. The dropped JSMF bridge is completely different to the decision of the Joomla developers to have a preference for a different board software.

Question 2: Yes new releases will always keep on coming. It is a very native view to think that development will just stop.

Feel free to hire a programmer to create a hack yourself. But don't start swearing at me and demand that I follow your demands.

Marius

So just as I said, it is the reason of people not the TECH. Ostio had also develped a bridge, that one will not hack any file but also has perfect full integration. But he also discontinued. This time, the reason is what? I think it is the disagreement about Lincense (can I say [censored] Licnese?).

OK, these is other Forum programs than SMF. If SMF will not change their mind we can change the forum soft. When it come to both GPL soft, can we hack something to make the integration more beautiful ? Please tell me, since I don't know if GPL lince PROHIBIT the user to hack files.



Maybe. The developers and users will see the same thing from different angles. But does EVERYONE try the best to make all these GPL soft (forget SMF now) integrate well?



You are half right. Some times money can make the developer listen to the customer. Sometimes, it is about the belief, not money.

I also wonder, can you EXACTLY tell me a JSMF-like bridge will double the loading of server ? I want to believe you but I can't find some numbers to prove it.

Look baijianpeng, this will be my last reply to you. First you start swearing at me:



Then you come up with extreme theories and don't listen to a word I say anyway. Therefor you can consider this my final and last answer to you.

It is not rocket science, if you load both Joomla and phpBB3 in a bridge setup, you will load all the relevant code of both softwares. You won't believe me anyway, so why not listen to someone else:



http://www.jfusion.org/phpbb3/viewtopic ... rmance#p68

Marius

There was arguments about License BEFORE you publish JFusion, those arguments brought big changes. I use " [censored] license" to criticize those un-pleasant conflicts in Lincenses, not to insult you. If you feel uncomfortable, I apologize.


I had said, I want to believe you. If you prove my way is wrong, I will accept the way of JFusion and give up the JSMF idea.


Of course I had some suspicion when you say the word double, now I believe it will increase the loading of server. Thanks for your proofs.

There is still a question, if mariusvr will not answer, I hope someone else can help me:

When bridged in JFusion way and try to make the Top Menu Navigation bar of the forum looks like the same as Joomla!, I mean the integration of theme on both side, which file(s) should be edited ? If these files belong to phpbb3 or Joomla!, why do you call it Edit instead of Hack ? What is the difference?

Maybe I am too lazy to read the GPL license through, but I really can't figure out what is the boundary between code hacking and customization?

Thank you in advance.

@baijanpeng - its quite simple: if you don't like jfusion, don't use it. If you have no other alternative to bridge smf the way you want, make your own bridge (or hire someone to do this for you).

and watch your declarations... "street" language that we see on TV may sound offensive to others (remember the forum rules? well, one of them is respect).

Ok, I sincerely apologize for my 'street' language. I will try to avoid use it again.

And I always respect all the developers here, they contributed too much time and efforts and charge no fee. For example, Joomla! and SMF are all free, why they can't be bridged by hacking? If some files hacked, who was hurt ? Ok, you don't need to answer me this question, because I know the answer: License. Just ignore this question. I don't want to start another arguments on License.

Yes, you are right. I don't use JFusion now, except that I test it when newer version released.

I will not hire someone for a bridge component. Because all these funny arguments had proved that, money can not make them change: they even argued a long time when the hacking will not let them lose one dollar! So I think they are not fighting for money, but belief(s).

Again, anybody can tell me the difference between Edit/Customization and Hacking?

Hit the nail on the head!

I just downloaded JFusion, so I will get a chance over the coming days to test it out, bridging a vanilla IPB and J! 1.5 install.

But depending on how it is you are trying to develop login and single-signon for IPB, it may be easier to simply import the required IPB files and call the native functions to do user login and session creation. Something like this perhaps:
User logs in to Joomla:
> Call the JFusion Auth Module.
> Include the IPS Class files.
> Call the Invision Login Function and pass the username/pass
> If true, create a Joomla Session and return.

You could probably also, have a sync routine that checks if the user is a member of the Administrator/Root Administrator group by reading the group bit from the Forum database and changing the equivilent bit in the Joomla database, so users added to the forum admins group can be optionally promoted on Joomla also.

The aging IPB.SDK project (GPLed) has a lot of this code already done with handy functions all lumped into a super-class. I was going to create a custom bridge using that myself so that while new users register on Invision, when they login to J!, their profiles would be created, just as they would be on new user registration. Logins would just call the Invision's classes.

I havn't yet used the JFusion componant, but I will install it when I get time, and take a look.

Thank you to all who have tested and contributed to JFusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those watching this thread, I have released version 1.0.5d This issue addresses:

- IPB dual login added by theIggs.
- phpBB dual login added by bellzebu and baltie
- myBB dual login should work again, after username rather that usedid is used for cookie generation
- vbulletin dual login should work again, after username rather that usedid is used for cookie generation
- improved username filtering

Work on improving JFusion will continue as usual. For more details on these releases visit:

http://www.jfusion.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=152

Cheers, Marius

No post here since March! So much has been done by this great project! Discuss guys, discuss.

Well this have its own life now here http://www.jfusion.org

Release is Jfusion 1.0.8 - everything going well.

The JFusion development has been going at full speed for a while now. We are getting close to our first beta release, which has more features than you can poke a stick at and is much easier to install/upgrade. For a preview of the new features you can visit the JFusion blog:

http://www.jfusion.org/index.php/Blog.html

There are still some issues to address before a beta release. But it will be very soon!

Thanks, Marius

Hello,

Anyone interested in developing this kind of JFusion plugin?

Best regards while waiting for 1.1 BETA

Well I hope first there will be a discussion plg for phpBB 3.0 +

Jfusion 1.1 BETA will be released on Dec 25, 2008 !
Great news !

Q: When is JFusion 1.1.0 Beta going to be released?
A: The date that we have set is 25th December 2008. Yup we will be wrapping it up as a Christmas gift.

Source: http://www.jfusion.org/index.php/120-De ... -Date.html

Here, the program seems wonderful, thank you very much