hobosalesman wrote:- he's using the nags to force people to behave in an involuntary manner, ie if you want to remove them then you need to do X, very common with joomla extensions. GIve us your email to download, pay us, donate your time, etc, it's all coercive and it doesn't happen in communities that believe in the principles of free software, ie. go look on CPAN for modules with obfuscated nag notices, encryption, etc, it's not there, just free software written for users
Wrong. I gave you the definition of coercive and you still don't understand. The tags simply state what is powering the component, it's not causing anyone to behave involuntarily because there's no side effect from the tag (go read it again!). If the tag bothers you: there are plenty of other components to use so go use one of them! He's not infringing on anything here as you said he was before. Keep trying, but you're really grasping at straws.
- it's not about taking credit for his work, I don't want 50 nag notices all over every site I build, I generally put them all on a credits page instead, but the reality of Joomla means the number of notices is absurd
Okay - so use another component. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. He's said it, I've said it - it seems like common sense. Also, 50 tag notices? I don't know how you're using the software if you see 50 tags on your pages, but I think you're doing it wrong. I'd be interested to see this 'credits' page you talk about... It's not often I see one of those if ever. You don't like the tag that says he built it; everyone gets that. But no one is forcing you to use this software - if you don't like it you're
free to choose something else. You should probably write Firefox, and the makers of other great quality free software too to see if they'll remove their tags since it's clearly coercive!! How dare they!
- do you even know the difference between different meanings of 'free'? I'm not talking about cost or money
It is free, in
every form. You have to do nothing but download it and install - what other meaning could it have in this case? You're not making any sense.
- the software is not identical, one has nags, one doesn't, different.
Wrong, again. The software is
identical - all the code for the tags is in place in a version that does not display the tags, as the version that does display the tags. All the CODE is still there - therefore, the 'versions' are IDENTICAL. Do you not understand how this stuff works? If not, that's okay, and it makes me understand a bit more why you would come on here saying a bunch of the stuff you've done thus far. There is a spot in the configuration where you can input a bit of code that removes the tags from view, and when you do that the tags are gone. Meaning, you have the exact, same, identical version of the software in either case. One of them simply isn't displaying some additional text to the page. The same is if you turn certain options on, and others off in a component. All of the options are still present in the component, if you looked at two installs of whatever component but each had different options turned on and off, the code is still identical - they are still identical versions of the same component. Do you get it yet? If not, I am afraid I can't be much more clear.
- what sorry activity am I justifying? My right to edit GPL software as I see fit? I'm not DOS/hacking his site, I'd suggest if he weren't so manipulative with his nags maybe others wouldn't either
Heaven forbid you talk to him to see about removing them. From the sounds of it - in many cases you don't have to do anything to get the tags removed. Sure he'd probably like to see some forum posts or something, but he seems like a realistic fella who would gladly provide you with how to remove the tags at no cost to you. But you'd never know that would you, because you're too lazy to do that. Instead you'd rather try and hack up something as opposed to doing it the legit *
and free* way. Congrats on working harder, not smarter.
- he has teh legal right to use his nag notices however he wants, anyone has the right to strip those notices and distribute the nag-free version
Or people could just talk to the creator of it and without hacking the code have the ability to remove the tags (since the 'versions' are identical as proved above).
Regardless the length you guys go to in order to justify this stuff is really sad.