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I know this will not be posted because it is the truth.

I have been working the Internet since I started with smartmart.com in early 1996. I now have to close because another bad programmer talked me into using Joomla. Joomla is one of the worst programs I have ever experienced.

After 13 years the open source people say it rocks. What a joke. The text editor is one of the worse I have seen. You have to disable the Friendly URLs, you have to disable the editor just to have a flash file. If you turn the Friendly URL feature back on you lose all your flash files. You can't center some text on a page without centering ALL the text on a page.

I have spent 14 hours a day trying to do things that should take no more than 4-5 hours.

Every time I turn around some else is broken. I have spent the last of about $200,000.00 over the years to the last so called Joomla expert.

All Joomla fans are doing is screwing people that need a real program not this crap.

I've been building web pages since 1991 and the days of hot dog pro, and I highly disagree.

If you KNEW joomla! better, perhaps you wouldn't be so frustrated, angry and outraged.
Find another editor if you need one, but most of the pros set the editor to none so they can type freely html and css at will.

Being a lady, I won't say what I really feel about your post. Figure it out. Ask questions. Learn. Don't hate.

Please read the rules: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65 and do not post thread titles in all capitals. Its rude and unneeded, and against the rules you agreed to.

A lady wouldn't lie about building web pages in 1991. I would love to see just one of your sites with a creation date of 1991. Check smartmart.com, check cybersoup.com. So I CAN prove what I say. How aboout you?

People like you are the problem! You can't tell the truth, about Joomla. If I was told the truth I could have made the decision to either find a real Joomla expert or find another program that was easier to use. The last so called Joomla expert said he had 2.5 years of working with Joomla, and he still had nothing but problems with it.

So show me a website created in 1991 or shut up. You are just making the other Joomla people look bad.

Just because you pick poor examples of people who claim to be experts, don't blame Joomla for that. Reminds me of hosts that blame Joomla for their poor security setups.

I've been in the web-design game for a while now.....almost 2 whole months. hehe

Yes...i didn't like that if you centered some text it centered the entire body of text...but I figured out that you can open the HTML editor and place your margins, emphasis, and heading types right there.

Sorry you've been doing it since 1996 and couldn't figure that one out.

PS. (You're not on the DreamWeaver development team are you, Cody? )

Hello Brad,

Sorry about the all caps, I know better than that. I'm just so angry about being lied to once again about Joomla. Lets face it, after 13 years I've been working the Internet, some one couldn't come up with a text editor that works?

And I don't mean to put down you or other good people here. But so many here talk about how great Joomla is and maybe to some it is, but there should be a Warning, to new people that you need a real expert to get a lot of the work done, or at least many months of hard work. You should not have to go without Friendly URLs because you have flash files on your website. And to have to work without the editor because it is such a problem is ridiculous. How can I give a website to a client when they have to work around one of the worst editors ever.

Your experience is not true of most people, I can assure you. If the default text editor doesn't do what you need, you can use pure html, or install another editor.

To BrandNewbie,

Maybe it's because you don't know anything about the Internet and programing you would make a statement like "couldn't figure it out". The idea is you should not have to "figure it out" if the editor worked properly. My point is, all information should be posted about the good and bad, so people know what they are getting into. But like you said, you have 2 months of experience and have the gall to make such a statement. I guess your post says it all without me having to respond.

The editor does work properly, I assure you. You are just trying to use it for a purpose that is was not designed. Try installing an editor that has your feature requirements. Joomla is a tool, don't make it out to be anything else.

I am looking for new CMS, so you think Joomla is bad option for it if to compare with other CMS?

I've been using Joomla since 2006,I have only been using 1.5 properly for the last six months and I don't have any problem with it. If there is something I can't work out, I normally find a solution on here or another Joomla related website. I agree with you about the text editor, they can be little bit of a pain but I normally turn it off and make the necessary alterations manually to the HTML. In many cases people have problems in the text editor because they are writing their content in word and then paste it into Joomla. They then wonder why they can't get it to look right.

I think if you persevered and got to know it a little better, you would actually find how good it is and how easy it is to use.

For every five people who say Joomla is crap, I reckon you'll find 100 people who say it is brilliant.

Brad,

It is Joomla in many cases, just one example: you should have a warning with the install that reads "BTW, the main feature in Joomla, the text editor, is crap and something you have to work around or try to find something that works. My point is, try honesty, with new people so they don't go crazy trying to use something that everyone else here knows the text editor is crap.

Also the templates that come with the Joomla install, more crap. One of them makes the article titles with numbers (a number in front of each article title) jammed into the article text and no spacing between the articles making it very hard to read. But another template it looks fine.
My question is, why not make the templates all look good and easy to use for people, than having them again go crazy trying to figure it out.

You should not have to "work around" the basic features.

Oh, and lets not talk about the CSS, boy what could be more useless!!!!! Why even have a CSS???
when you would have to be an experience programmer to have any chance at using it.

And please, don't just give the run around with your comments, be honest and address the points I have made.

Others may profit from some refreshing honesty from some one here at Joomla.

Thank you for you time.

to Ironside,

Thank you for your comment. But the point is I wanted to build sites for people that are not programmers, which most people are not. So, I and they don't want to have to do code. Again, why not just be honest with people from the start. Why is that such are hard idea for people to understand. But I guess "honesty" is hard for most people in all areas of business.

thanks again Ironside

to Ironside,

Thank you for your comment. But the point is I wanted to build sites for people that are not programmers, which most people are not. So, I and they don't want to have to do code. Again, why not just be honest with people from the start. Why is that such are hard idea for people to understand. But I guess "honesty" is hard for most people in all areas of business.

thanks again Ironside

to gemkeepers,

Unless you are going to spend a lot of time here trying to find out why something simple is not with Joomla, or find a real expert to pay. I have never find a group of people regarding an open source who were honest about how many things you will have trouble with. There answer is just like Brad, Joomla is not the problem, you're the problem, you the moron that can't get this wonderful program to work. Hay moron, find something that does work.

Did you see that Brad, like everyone else here will not address the problems, will not be honest with you and me and tell us what we know is the truth.

BTW, Brad, you had you chance, don't bother to reply with more company rhetoric. I don't need to see you dance around the subject.

believe me, I am no programmer. I can see where you're coming from. However, unless you are using one of these online website developer programs to create a website, I think you really do need to know a little bit of HTML or CSS, or preferably both. It doesn't have to be a lot, just enough for you to be able to make some alterations to your document. Blimey, there are plenty of websites on the Internet that give you excellent information on how to do things.

I would have thought that anyone who wants to create a website will want to learn how to do things.

To Ironside,

Finally, some honesty, thank you very much.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that if somebody asks you to create a website that they can maintain themselves then you've got to be realistic. If it's just a case of changing some text, uploading some photos then anyone with a bit of common sense can do that.

The chances are somebody creating a website for their business will get someone else to do it for them. Somebody like myself who is creating a website promoting a hobby will get out there and learn how to do things. Yes, I've had loads of problems in Joomla over the years, but I have found a solution for the majority of issues I've had. You can go onto any support forum for any product out there and someone will always have a problem, no matter how good it is how long it has been in publication.

Cody88xx,

How much did you pay to download Joomla and use it in your commercial sites?







zero.

I rest my case.

To Cody
With your lengthy experience, surely all your readers would benefit if you enlighten us, in your opinion, is the better alternative to Joomla?
I know joomla certainly speeds up the process of design and layout but having not been experimenting with other systems, I might have tunnel vision.

$2,500 to get it working. And a many many hours of hard work. So if you're trying to be smart with "how much did you pay...." you are obviously is trying to suggest it is free, it is not. So stop trying to me smart, you are not.

$2500? what exactly did you pay for?

to have "Joomla Experts" 3 total, to fix many thing on a few sites. They finally got the video working, but like I said, we still can't use the Friendly URL feature and have to face problem after problem trying to get templates to look like we want them to. Like a said the CSS for tempates are worthless, how is anyone even with a little experience work with the CSS?

Anyway, I'm beginning to see that this is a waste of more time.

thanks

Just one more thing, it's to bad the time here is not focused on the many problems that newbies have to face day after day with bad features in the Joomla core, like the editor. All these great minds working on open source making the same mistakes over and over. After all these years, you have to turn off the editor to upload video. And by having video you can't have Friendly URLs.

And you have to know HTML to make the simplest of features work.

Why do I try, when you get an answer to my concerns with "how much did you pay". Go to braintrackers.com and work on raising you IQ above 20 points, webberoo.

This is better than the ballgame on TV. Wait a minute. Need to refresh the popcorn!

Not one person here has addressed the problems that almost every one knows about and I have mentioned in my post above.

Instead of discussing the problems and admitting the problems and what can be done about them, (I'm sorry to say) I get statements that should only be expected from a moron.

Brad: Oh, the editor works fine.
B.S. - and outright lie, check all the post here about the editor problems.

nikko500: Enlighten us.
more B.S. - doesn't address the problems

webberoo: and the king of morons, how much did you pay.
I guess your time isn't worth anything. I would expect that from some one working at a car wash.

and let us not forget the biggest lie of them all. You have all heard this one:
drsawbones: I have been working the Internet since 1991.

AGAIN, no one here addressed the problems and ways to correct them.

I'm done. None of you are worth anymore time. Just keep turning your head away from the truth, it seems to make you happy.

And for people that are new. Please, please read the posts from others here and you will see what I'm talking about. When they talk about everything but the problems and possible solutions, RUN the other way as fast as you can.

Good-bye

I've told you, at least once.. use an editor that has the features you require. The default editor is not designed to do what you want to do.

I really don't care how long you, or anyone else has been working on the internet either... perhaps if you focus on the relevant parts of your questions in this thread (and other) and the useful free support you are receiving you would not have wasted $200 000 on you Joomla site.

Why you wasting your time trying to write your own soap opera here.. is beyond me. Perhaps you just enjoy moaning.

BTW calling people morons doesn't in any way give your arguments credibility.

SFGolfer:

Thank you so much for putting a smile on my face. I really mean that. If you need help with your game, go to braintrackers.com.

take care

I see brad has nothing intelligent to say about the problems here. Your future post will simply be ignored.