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maybe this site needs someone to call it like it is! Maybe brad should be call a moron or one who is full of BS, because when he says the Text Editor works everyone knows he lies, Example: the editor has an Icon that when clicked on, is suppose to let you up load flash files. It doesn't work, brad and everyone else knows this by looking through this forum.

So just maybe, people should not dance around problems like a little girl and face them like a man.

Oh, I forgot, I said good-bye

"Constructive criticism is welcome" the truth? NO. You tell the truth here about joomla problems, and all you get back is "there is nothing wrong".

So what is the bottom line, this is just another site made of people that give themselves and there friends a line of stars to make themselves while the new people trying joomla go through hell trying to work with problems that the boys that hide behind fake names ignore.

I tried to hit the problems hard, because anything else has not worked. brad with 5 stars said the Text Editor is fine, I'm the problem. Then tell me why there is a Icon to a process of upload flash files and other video files that doesn't work. And the only way to upload flash is to SHUT off the Friendly URLs and the editor and with HTML code install the flash files. And you better not turn the Friendly URLs back on, because if you do you will lose all the many hours it took to put in the HTML code, IF you know how to code in the first place.

Now you have threatened my freedom of speak to cover the truth about Joomla. So I and others with now start putting up multi websites that will expose what really goes on here.

To bad, there are many good things about Joomla, but because of a lot of people that can't handle the truth about some of the on going problems they hide their heads in the sand.

Well, because my right to freedom of speech is not welcomed here and they are going to deleted me, I will express my views on other sites set up just for Joomla where people can talk about problems that need to be fix and not just ignored.

BTW, I like to be nice, but when joomla people with there row of stars lie to your face, I get angry. the same when happens when people say there is no freedom of speech here. It's to bad ALL the good people here have to suffer, because of the few.

Uh

I'm waiting for the long line of people to disagree with me when I said the text editor that comes with Joomla works as it's intended. If you want extra features, you simply install another editor.

Maybe I do actually know what I am talking about.. have you entertained that option?

I can't really see how this thread differs from your previous one (the one where you said you were leaving). So I'm going to merge the two and I think move it all to the lounge as that's an area more open to off topic discussion.

back for more eh?

This is getting entertaining now. I wish I knew why you assume that you can say what you like on our websites though. Where in the rules you agreed to when you became a member does it say that?

The fact that you can still post shows that despite your immature and rude way of expressing your frustrations with your abilities to use Joomla, we've still allowed to remain a member. That is how mean we are

Ok, merged and moved! Carry on

::agrees with ^ and ^^.
Anyone bring the smores?

Oh boy. Round Two coming up.

Oh boy, I luv this! "Please build me my Joomla! web site because I have absolutely no freakin idea what I am doing" ! As the late, great Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. says, ... "so it goes" Priceless!

The default editor is terrible, but the 3PD community has given you many options.

JCE works wonders for me and I have it installed on at least a hundred websites.

Friends who's opinions I trust have claimed that WYSIWYGPro is even better then JCE for noobs so you can try that if you want to shell out a few dollars for it.

In any case, you seem to have an issue with the WYSIWYG editor, not Joomla itself. I suggest you try out other open source CMS's... find one that has an editor you like, and port it to Joomla. A tiny fraction of the 200k should cover it

@cody88xx You'd get a lot further (and waste a lot less money from the way it sounds) by asking for help with the things you can't figure out and asking for clarification on the things you don't understand.

Cody -

I am sorry to hear that your business failed. That's harsh and could explain your frustrations.

Looking back at your posts, it appears you have had difficulty embedding Flash into your Article.

Joomla! has many security features. One of the more important features is text filtering, which has several levels of protection. This feature can be configured using the article parameters. Here is a good source for that.

Editors can also change your HTML, again for security purposes. That same link explains how Tiny MCE can be configured to allow HTML. (Bottom of that page.)

If that is the problem you are having, it's a common source of frustration for new users of a CMS, regardless of the specific type of CMS. Filtering is helpful to protect your Web site, but very frustrating when you are trying to embed scripts or HTML, as is the case with Flash.

It would be appreciated if you apologized for your rude behavior. In this thread there are people who have helped Joomla! users for years. Some of your statements were unkind and unfair.

Hope you are able to fix your problem. Good luck.

hi amy,
this is murtaza from pakistan. trying to understand how joomla works for last two days using joomla help or some pdf files. came to forums to seek some answers. saw you post and thought i can get direct help from amy
can you tell why there are so many diff type of menu items. wat is the method of choosing one method over other. and wats an internal link or external link etc?
i dont want to run any other way

take care

i shouldnt have gone out this was more interesting..
i dont think i have found joomla to be a waste of money, and the only thing i can see possible to rant and rave at is the so called J! expert you contracted.
what is that glorious old saying ? "" a good workman never blames his tools...."

Wouldn't it be lovely if there were OFFICAL joomla! certification exams?

1. webmasters - those who work in the trenches
2. creatives - those who make templates
3. developers - those who code
4. multi-site administrators - servers and hosts, joomla! heros, champions, et al
5. users - those who get paid to data entry sites, editors, etc.

But it would have to come from the source, not some second rate online
pay 500 to take the test center. Standardization of code is one part of QA, but statistics show standardization on the user level boosts long term QA as a whole.
...so says friends at SME
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_Matter_Expert

Just a thought to turn a bad into a good?
Doc

I'm so sad that someone with 13 years experience of making websites is being beaten down by a joomla text editor (wow).

The least you can do is learn some html code.

I've been at it for not even 2 months, and my site looks great. i have ZERO programming experience; and the editor threw me for a loop at first. But I learned that I can toggle to html and add "<em>," for instance, to get italicizing.

If I can learn it without any help except for these forums--in a little over a month, no less--then I think that guy had some personal issues he needs to work out.

Im pretty new here. I hope my comments dont offend anyone.

I got into Joomla because a programmer told me it was great. I was doing c#.dotnet at the time. This guy was what I would refer to as a chump.

It has taken me 3 months to become proficient with it and I still have quirks and issues.

It's pretty common for computer folk not to realise that end users can't figure this stuff out.

Theres no way in hell I would hand over a Joomla to a customer. It's fine for me to use, but I wouldn't advise it to a customer who doesn't have at least 2 weeks up there sleaves and some patience.

That being said...the alternative is Drupal, typo3? they're no better....Umbraco, dotnetnuke, they're almost as difficult and have their own flaws...

Yes Joomla has its flaws, but so does all the other open source....I think it would be helpful for computer professionals to acknowledge this to customers...

If you want something really nice you have to pay for it. Try Kentico...

John - that doesn't offend me in the slightest, but there is nothing in your post that identifies a single problem we could work on. As a reader, I'm left with wondering if you are part of the Kentico group. That's the only actionable comment you made.

lol, no, nah I don't use Kentico, I just think its a good CMS and was mentioning it because it was commercial. As such it's much user friendlier than all the open source ones....I'm not affiliated with them...I use Joomla. There are reasons and thats cause Joomla is a good CMS too

If you want some things to action;
- {} Tags commonly used in plugins have problems in tinyMCE, unless the <br> is used for next lines. For example; Joomlaworks' Tabs & Slides extension I spent a whole day trying to hack the <p></p> tags it was wrapping around and wrecking. I had to move away from JoomlaFCK which is my prefered editor for this. This is a difficult thing to solve because it requires nonstandard settings to fix and co-ordination amongst disparate programmers.
- Compatabilities between templates and extensions. There are often problems that are hard to track down. I know that's not joomla's fault, but perhaps there is a way to encourage it from not happening..
- Extension quality, this is more an open source problem than a joomla problem. There's just too many poor quality ones around that are usless and buggy. I put the figure at 80% so buggy they cant be used and I'm not exagerating. I'm not sure what the joomla community could do to prevent that happening. It IS a BIG problem though and this is where most of my learning curve went into when learning joomla. When you look at the amount of time ya waste doing this, its quiet possibly better going for a commercial CMS unless you plan on having your head in the computer all day.
- 1.6 here now lol

There are other things, but the thing about open source is this; Theres no point me listing them here unless I'm willing to go fix them myself and help out. That would be infinitely better.

...my main point is that this is open source, it's best to be open and transparent with your customers about it and admit that it's not perfect and sometimes very unuser friendly....

It will always be that way...ALWAYS...just take a look at linux, windows, macs....

Regards
John

Awesome post. I'm going to share it with some of the Extension providers as a reminder.



Well, we sure do make people feel that way - and sometimes that's how we feel!

The truth is, tho, reporting problems is very helpful. HOW those problems are reporting and the expectation do matter. With Joomla! core, if you think you found a bug, you should add an item to the Tracker and report it. Make certain you show how to reproduce it. Then, respond to the Bug Squad questions and hang in there until it gets fixed, at which time it's helpful for you to test the fix and verify the problem is solved.

With third party extensions, the same holds true. On JED, there is information about their site. Locate the resource they use for reporting bugs or email them. Just don't expect them to fix it while you wait. They shared it and that's all one should expect for free. If you need customized work on their extension, you might offer to pay for that.

I answered in the other thread that it would be very helpful to keep track of those things you found confusing. Write it down when you figure it out. Then, later, make a collection of those items in a blog post or a video, showing where improvements could come.

User feedback CAN be very valuable but it has to be given in a way that works and clear and detailed. One shouldn't expect immediate resolution, it just doesn't happen like that. The benefit of free software is sometimes that we can fix it ourselves. If we don't have those skills, we can hire someone who does. I'd venture to guess that paying a bit for someone's time and using Joomla! would be cheaper than a proprietary solution and most of the time better (more functionality, more modern, tested approaches). That's biased, of course, but there's some truth there too.

Thank you for your comments.

Thanks Amy,

I did my first tracker post today for the problem in that other thread Takes a while to get into all this stuff and figure it out.



I don't know if I agree, I'm border lined, I think in the long run yes, but in the earlier stages no. My inkling is that the hard things don't get fixed and then people do work arounds to the problems instead of fixing them (mainly because its a big commitment to get involved in the core). For example there is a large amount of extensions on JED for workarounds to common problems and the cumulative effort of all those people creating those extensions if they had just paid someone to work on the core instead. It's inefficient when compared with commercial development. The problem is that MOST people don't value their time (expecially when they do it for fun). This is why open source wins and will be the death of a lot of commercial development.

Personally, I'm not sure if I like it because I like efficiency and I like to get paid for being a professional and being good at what I do too But....I guess in the long run OS produces results...

Its a big discussion thats probably better on another thread without the rants at the top lol (and probably been had 100 times before), but thats just a little bit of what I think

Ok, back to work
Thank for the help and feedback, will do my best to reciprocate when I know more!
John

Thanks for the Bug Report - you done the right thing!

I have been in the "internet" since the 1990's as well. I'm not going to stand on the podium and say that Joomla is the best solution in the world! I will say that Joomla has it's place as a platform to meet certain requirements. If you address your clients needs appropriately, and Joomla is chosen, then you should be getting what you expect from it?

If Joomla doesn't meet your clients requirements, then by all means, make the appropriate business decision and go with the software/solution that does!

OH MAN! I missed the fun and games Very entertaining thread. Brad and Amy, very professional how you handled this person.

Much respect. I agree with many, being on the internet for 13 years and a text editor sets you off? There has to be something to this story that we're not hearing.

Thoughts from the (nearly) gray side; or, how to be a happy Joomla! newbie at any age. (When I started grade school, we used chalk and a small slate board; I kid you not!)

I recently decided I wanted to create a website, and so I started to look at some of the "Create a site in five minutes!" sites, and quickly found that they were fine as long as I was happy with the way they thought my site should work; well, I wasn't. Shortly thereafter I came across the open source concept, and Joomla!, and decided to give it a try. No, it's not easy; probably never will be easy; but I believe it will allow me to try and create something that is an expression of me, if you get what I mean.

As I struggle on with my Joomla! How-To books, and my 'HTML, XHTML, and CSS for Dummies' at my side, I'm actually enjoying the process; my progress is up to me, and not up to Joomla!. I can't comment on how Joomla! compares to anything else out there because I have no idea; but, what I will say is that after reading thousands of posts in these forums, I'm impressed with the knowledge; the patience; the generosity; and the support that this community offers to anyone, of any skill level, who is willing to ask and listen.

For what it's worth, this is just my way of saying that I've not been disillusioned by the comments of cody88xx.

did you notice the group that code88xx belongs to? just dont build bridges look at the succesful joomla sites and users.

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