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Hi all,

I use Joomla for my websites few years. Long time I was not in this forum, because before I type to much, I was banned, so I stoped writing here.
In this time I feel, that I need write here just some things.
What is wrong with Joomla ? After few years nothing change ! Yes Joomla use newer technology, some new things are inside, but it is necesarry, not feauture, nothing special.

When I m looking now to Joomla at all, it is heavy cms with totally slow perfomance and tons of unnecesarry things - modules, components, plugins and miss some good things there.
Also third part extension are horible, half of them you can not use for good website, other part have many bugs, others stay totaly in past with functions and looking.

Just on starting - registration - name, username ?? for what both Who like fill tons of formulars ? Also third part extension - free, almost everywhere you need register before downloading ... for what They need my email adress or my name + username ? Nobody need it, ok, if they want to do marketing, they can ask for email ... this I understand and I wil unuscribe sure after that, so its only waste of time and database.
Many extensions are for J2,5, some are for 3.0 ...what is it ? We have Joomla 3.0 and I read everywhere no to use it.
It is much better than 2,5, why no use it ? Because third party are not able to make extensions ? Then dont do 3.0 if third party can not do extensions for it.
How can I use 2,5 if 3,0 is better ? This time if I do new site, I will never use 2,5, better change extension which is ready, but never use older Joomla 2.5 because is really outdated.

Please tell which good nice website use ''Newsfeed or Messagings or Weblinks or Wrapper or Who is online ? and other tons of unusefuly outdated toys ?
Also core of Joomla, - contect, articles and tons of toys around it, Who is it ? Who want to have good and nice website need to implement third part extensions for it and then Joomla website start be so heavy, slowly in performance and strange for users ! Strange for admin, Strange for servers and strange for our heavy databases on servers.

Just today I tried to change login form - just module, I tried 6 extensions for 2,5 Joomla, no one work well, not from my ideas, just no one work well how it was mentioned on third party extention's website. Sure I did 6 registration on each site, because I want to download this. What is this ? Strange and terrible.

I really start to dont like Joomla, maybe it is because I tried other cms what are up to date, not so heavy and do the same job with faster loading, more easy working on backend and what is important ... are very familiar and friendly to users. Long time I stay just with Joomla, beacuse I like it and I thinked, that Joomla will go up to date and will improve some things ... Not ! Joomla did nothing, just kicked me to looking for other cms, I did it and checked more cms.
I had 8 Joomla website, already 4 changed to other cms ... I m more satisfied with all 4 new website, much faster, easier and my users feel better on these website.

I need to finish my crying ... just other things, Joomla use phBB forum, it is ok, it is the best open source forum probably, why not ? nothing wrong with it. Also many members of Joomla forum and community use Wordpress for bloging, it is ok, why not, it is much better for bloging than Joomla.
Ok, for what is Joomla better, if the big part of their community is running on non joomla extensions
If I like Mercedes, I will make Mercedes and I will write about Mercedes, why I will use BMW ? ... maybe because I starting feel, that my old car is not so good like before and can not fit my requirements.

Really now I dont know why use Joomla instead of other cms, I loved Joomla, but now looking for other solutions for my website, because I see Joomla put energy to wrong place.
- Heavy cms what nobody use without extensions, with extensions ussually so heavy, that you wait long time after every click on website.
I dont konw statistics, but I think, that less peapole use joomla or browse about joomla these days like before ... I think that.

I know that what I write is not world's true about Joomla, it is just my opinion, it is not attack, I dont want to attack to Joomla or Joomla comunity, just today I feel to share this my long story about what I feel long time about Joomla.

Hope nobody will take this my useless words as personal or comunity attack.

Good luck

Firstly I'd like to point out that unlike some other projects, Joomla is completely community driven and all the work is done by volunteers. If there is something you don't like, then put your hand up to volunteer to help make it better. There are many ways to contribute to the project, you don't need to be a programmer.

Now if you are looking for a light weight distribution of Joomla, you might want to take a look at Squareone CMS. Essentially it's the Joomla core with a lot of things taken out, and it's stripped down to the bare minimum.
https://github.com/square-one/square-one-cms

Or if you want even lighter, you can use the Joomla Platform and write applications that run on Joomla code without any of the CMS.
http://api.joomla.org/

If you have issues with individual extension developers, I suggest you write to them with your concerns so that they can improve their product or service.

With regards to Joomla 3.0, as this is the first release in a new series it's only aimed at the early adopters. The mainstream release will be the long term Joomla 3.5 which most people should use. There is nothing wrong with Joomla 3.0, it's got some great new features, but some extension developers have not made their products compatible yet, so people building new sites may have to compromise on the extensions they want to use. Give it a few months and this wont be an issue.

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Sorry, but that statement is not right. Nobody gets banned at this forum because of too much typing.
It's the kind of typing that might people get banned (continuous violating the forum rules, spam, useless messages to self promote their signature etc).


I have a feeling (I didn't do performance tests myself) that Joomla 2.5 performs faster then Joomla 1.5
And you don't need all modules and plugins.

btw: Joomla 2.5 got rid of the Polls extension that was in Joomla 1.5 by default.
I have read some complaints about the removal, which also shows that everybody us using Joomla in a different way,
and that the developers have to find an optimum in core features vs 3rd party extension features that can be added later...


Yes, the quality of the 3rd party extensions varies a lot.
Because Joomla has an open source GPL license, everybody is free to extend it by creating their own extensions.
The advantage is that you have a lot of choice, the disadvantage is that it can be difficult to find the right extensions for your project.


You can change that yourself.


I totally understand your feeling!

This is *not* a Joomla related issue, but a marketing related one that you will see at other sites as well.

To give away something for free, some companies want your personal details so that they can send you advertising.
With the extra generated sales from it they can finance the production of new free products,
or the marketing department can justify their expenses on the free product.

I do not like advertising at all so I use a separate email account to register at such sites.
The registration still feels like a waste of time, but at least I won't be bothered by any marketing emails in the future.
I would prefer other methods, e.g. free extensions with paid support, or free extensions with paid addons.



I would use Joomla 2.5 for my clients because it's more stable (read: less bugs, and it's the current Long Term Support version) and there are more 3rd party extensions available.
I also use Joomla 2.5 on most of my own sites.

At the moment I would only use Joomla 3.0 on sites that need the extra functionality:
e.g. multilanguage sites that need Content Association (2.5 only has Menu Item Association) http://community.joomla.org/blogs/commu ... s-new.html
Or customers that want the nice back-end bootstrap template.

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Joomla 2.5 multilanguage in 10 steps: http://www.db8.nl/multilanguage-in-10-steps

Joomla is being used by so many different users with so many different backgrounds for so many different kind of websites.
The current selection of Components, Modules, Plugins, Templates, Language files is a choice to give this broad group of users a good starting point to build their own site.

Note that Components, Modules, Templates and Language files that you don't use, and Plugins that are unpublished won't use any of the webservers resources, those only use some disk space...


One of the freedoms of open source software is the freedom of choice

IMHO it's very good that people from the Joomla community use a broad range of other (open source) software,
because we can always learn of the good points of other software...

Regarding Joomla forum: For Joomla there is an excellent 3rd party forum extension called Kunena.
But that wasn't available at the start of Joomla forum in 2005, or when we switched to phpBB3 a couple of years later.


There will always be room for improvement!
However, actively helping out with improvements will be more effective
then to only state an opinion about how things should be improved.
Have you thought of a way to contribute your time and efforts within the community in improving Joomla itself?

And if you feel that Joomla is too heavy for your project, then maybe you could follow tuum's suggestion above
and try Squareone CMS: https://github.com/square-one/square-one-cms

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Joomla 2.5 multilanguage in 10 steps: http://www.db8.nl/multilanguage-in-10-steps

some developers use it to inform you of security updates and other bug fixes (we hope they all would do).

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pe7er thank you for your replies, I feel, that you underastand me.
I would like to ask ... if I turn off core components, modules, plugins - it will dont use any source ? Nothing from frontend, from browser will try to search for it or try to send some details to it ?
Because when I uninstall some core components or also templates, then sometimes I catch some errors, ussualy during update joomla.

I would not remove Joomla's core extensions (components, modules, plugins),
I would only disable (unpublish) those in the back-end.

PS: I don't know the status of the lightweight Joomla distribution "Square One CMS" as mentioned earlier in this topic.
It looks like it hasn't been updated to include the latest Joomla 2.5.9.

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Peter Martin, Global Moderator - Community Leadership Team
http://www.db8.nl - Joomla specialist, Nijmegen, Nederland
Joomla 2.5 multilanguage in 10 steps: http://www.db8.nl/multilanguage-in-10-steps

Oh, all the time I wanna log into Joomla I need resend password or put captcha or do some things what takes few minutes
Anywhere on internet I can choose my password how I want, just on Joomla I need milions account on every section - forum, extensions ...
Sure my password need to have one big letter at least, some number ... I nowhere use it, so I dont remember that, only here so always problems with login.
Make it simply ! This is horrible for users who dont visit Joomla site every day ten times !

Pe7er Yes, you right, I learned, that better unpublish core components than uninstall Also I will not use Square One CMS, it looks not updated and I maybe after few months it will die small community probbably there.
Oh again nervous bc. try to do something with my Joomla website, but it is almost not possible.
One poor developer of polls ask for registration, he is listed in extension of Joomla. I registered, but after 9 hours I m still not able to download it, bc. I wait for confirm my registration omg, this is totaly poor, I will never use any free or paid component from that kind of poor developers. So ok, they checking me, if I m not terorist maybe, but it is taking all day, still waiting, Christmas is close, so maybe they will accept my registration until end of year ... oh
... after that I try to login here, try to make reviews to extension directory of Joomla, but so many problems with login, ... this is really horrible.
Why is it so complicated here in Joomla ? It can be so simply. Oh , really it can be so simply without any trouble, I want download, I want login, why I can not do in Joomla like everywhere Why I have always some trouble here ?
This is way how Joomla is loosing users, I m sure with this complicated way of working Joomla is loosing.

So today I did nothing on my Joomla website, just got idea try to remake it to Wordpress.

Anyways, Joomla 3.0 looks good, better than Joomla 2.5 , but can not use it, almost nothing ready for it, bc. it is short support ... Only few weeks ago Mosets finished new Mosets what support J2.5 But 3.0 is out few months, and they just finished component for 2.5, what can I say ? ... nothing ... I need to find solution for my website,

I really hope Joomla will change little bit and make things more simply, more light, more transparent ...
Joomla is now really trouble and complicated for me, I m more than sure, that for new users are totaly unusable.