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RicardoLuongo
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:57 pm 
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What is the difference between Metadata and Meta Keywords ?

Which one gets the best SEO results ?

Between meta keywords should a comma be used or just a space ?

Is it better to put the meta keywords in the category or in the article ?

Many thanks,
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Hey,
Meta Keywords, together with Meta Description, are a part of Metadata information about your website.
It's important to have Metadata filled for each page of the site. Specify the general Metadata about your website in General settings, and fill in description of particular category or article.
There are several plugins listed in JED, which can help you with extracting Metadata from the content of your articles. It saves time and you are sure that each article has required description.

http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... /meta-data

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Super ! Thank you very much !
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You're welcome :)

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one more thing which I would like to contribute(Though it's not the part of the thread) is that the meta data is not so helpful in rankings but they give the perfect appearance in the SERP! If in any case the sites do not have the meta data in them, The SERP data is parsed through the available online content of the web-page!

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What happens if you dont fill them in?
Do I also need to put the keywords as Meta keywords and just general info in Metadata? Will google look ath the keywords only?
As an example: I sell product "compact" and I do only put compact keybaord as meta keyword. Will I be found on the word keyboard? It does appear like not....any experience?
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Vincencio wrote:
What happens if you dont fill them in?
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Do a few Google searches and view the source code of the top results. See if they have any meta data.

The meta data in Joomla can be put in various places. The metadata places in Articles overrides the metadata that is placed in the menus.

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Isee see our competitor has:
<meta name="author" content="x" />
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="y" />
<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=9" />
<meta name="description" content="sentence including title." />
<meta name="generator" content="Code generated by z" />

We have only:
<meta name="description" content="sentince with TITLE" />
<meta name="keywords" content="many words including TITLE" />

Any suggestions of other words make sence or what to improve?
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And does your competitor rank highly on the search results even though they don't have keywords ? If they do then look how they organise their content.

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If by SEO results, you refer to higher rankings, then keywords are a significant tool, probably the most important one of all. however metadata includes meta keywords, and you might want to make sure it's on each web page.
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matt12 wrote:
If by SEO results, you refer to higher rankings, then keywords are a significant tool, probably the most important one of all....

Have a look at the page source of the sites that come high in Google searches there are a lot that don't use the kewords meta tag :eek:

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From what iv seen, there are hundreds if not thousands of things that add to your google page rank, meta data being a part of that, and remember that every little addition you do to your site for SEO helps, so i would suggest doing your meta data as efficiently as possible.
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meta keyword is no longer importat, focuse on the text and provide usefull info to the users for getting links
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idemsisvoje wrote:
Hey,
Meta Keywords, together with Meta Description, are a part of Metadata information about your website.
It's important to have Metadata filled for each page of the site. Specify the general Metadata about your website in General settings, and fill in description of particular category or article.
There are several plugins listed in JED, which can help you with extracting Metadata from the content of your articles. It saves time and you are sure that each article has required description.

http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... /meta-data


Meta keywords are a complete waste of time. FORGET THEM
Meta description is useful - but has ZERO impact on rankings
Title tag - VERY important. Spend time on all of these

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seomanager wrote:
Meta keywords are a complete waste of time. FORGET THEM
Meta description is useful - but has ZERO impact on rankings
Title tag - VERY important. Spend time on all of these


You are right! For example google officially states that it does not care about metakeywords: here's what they say: "Google doesn't use the "keywords" meta tag in our web search ranking", they explain it here:

http://googlewebmastercentral.[URL banned]. ... a-tag.html

What do you think are the best things one can do with title-tag?
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Ok, so the problem of general metakeywords for whole site is solved, they are useless. But what about publishing particular keywords of an article on your site? Say you write an article, fill keywords, add some code to your index.php or anywhere else to make meta-keywords visible in an article (say at the end of an article), and display it on site. Will that help your ranking?

I'm just speculating, I'm not an expert at all, but I suppose it may help, after all google robots don't care for keywords because they are not visible by users, so anyone can cheat with them. But if keywords are: 1) clearly visible for users 2) specific, different for every page within a site; 3) they match article content - then perhaps google robots may care about them. What do you think?
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pawelmhm wrote:
... But if keywords are: 1) clearly visible for users 2) specific, different for every page within a site; 3) they match article content - then perhaps google robots may care about them. What do you think?

If the keywords are not in the meta tag they are not meta keywords. They are just words that you have in your content.

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Webdongle wrote:
If the keywords are not in the meta tag they are not meta keywords. They are just words that you have in your content.


Yes, but if they are in the meta tag? I was thinking about using default joomla field that you have when you are editing an article, a field where you specify meta keywords for a given article. If you type keywords there and display it on page as part of content, placed below article but visible to users reading an article - does that help?

I know that default joomla publishing options don't offer the possibility of publishing meta keywords in an article but I found some code which makes that possible. I'm just wondering whether displaying those keywords makes sense...
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Yes, but if they are in the meta tag? I was thinking about using default joomla field that you have when you are editing an article, a field where you specify meta keywords for a given article....

Those fields are what puts the details in the metatags.

View the page source, edit those fields then view the page source again.

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Webdongle wrote:
Those fields are what puts the details in the metatags.

View the page source, edit those fields then view the page source again.


Thanks. It seems I'm not clear tough and we don't undersatand each other. My question is: does displaying keywords in an article in a way which is visible to people visiting a website has any influence on SERP?
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I know what you mean, eg. K2 component has this feature built-in, however it doesn't display keywords from metakeywords, but manually set keywords for an article. Open up any article in Blog, it's there...
http://www.riant.sk/blog

In that case, Google Bot takes these keywords into account as regular links. They usually have relevant anchor text, which is for sure good for SEO.
Hope this helps.

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pawelmhm wrote:
My question is: does displaying keywords in an article in a way which is visible to people visiting a website has any influence on SERP?


Just to answer your question directly, YES, every piece of content has influence on rankings.

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Thanks. It seems I'm not clear tough and we don't undersatand each other. My question is: does displaying keywords in an article in a way which is visible to people visiting a website has any influence on SERP?

If the keywords in the metatags are used in the text on the page then in theory that should give more 'weight' to the keyword metatag to visiting search engines. That is the theory but do some searches then view the page source of the sites that come top.

If you do that research and see how many of the highly placed sites use metatags and how many don't ... then you can draw your own conclusions as to the value of metatags.

Everyone has their own opinion as to the value of metatags. But if you do your own research by inspecting the page source of high ranking sites you can have your own opinion.

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Webdongle wrote:
Everyone has their own opinion as to the value of metatags. But if you do your own research by inspecting the page source of high ranking sites you can have your own opinion.


Thanks very much :) It seems that there's no golden rules and simple answers here and one must really see how it works in practice. That's what I'll do. Have a good day!
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.... Generally Google ignores them.....
Possibly it does but there are other search engines.

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It's better not to use the meta keywords tag anymore. Many people used it for keyword stuffing so it's no longer relevant.

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meta data is simple data about your whole site like site name (title), what your site is about (meta description). what words are really expressing your site(meta keywords). Country, language, authors, category these are all your site meta data.

using the above will guide search engines in understanding your site. meta keywords are now days ignore by top search engines but not all search engines, so i recommend using them but limit the number keywords to 3 to 4 with a comma.

using it on the page is more relevant than a category
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Make sure Meta description is not too short and not too long as well, suggested length of these tags are:

Title tag = 63 characters With Spaces
Meta Keyword tag = 256 characters With Spaces
Meta Description tag = 156 characters with spaces

Try to comma separate keywords and keep the focusing keywords at the beginning.

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you can use shf404 a very nice module to help you to change your meta keyword , description and title.

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I have been reading a lot of articles about Google and over optimization. From what I have gathered is that the old way of having a certain % of keywords, meta tags, etc. do not necessarily apply anymore-it seems that the object is to write naturally once you have placed your keyword in the opening paragraph and in the last sentence and in the title and scattered through the article in a completely natural way. Hopefully, I haven't gotten that wrong as that is what I have been doing.
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