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seaside man
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:53 pm 
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i have joomla 1.5 and i have a joomla 1.5 template with a template club and a couple of compents and modules which are joomla 1.5. i am just wondering how hard it is to upgrade to joomla 2.5

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Aidan38
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Hello,
if you have some knowledge in HTML CSS, you wont have to much problems to upgrade your template. You can see this article :
http://docs.joomla.org/Upgrading_a_Joom ... Joomla_2.5

To migrate Joomla!, it depend also of which extensions are installed on your website, have they an equivalent on Joomla 2.5 ?
To do the migration (on your local computer for example), you can read this :
http://docs.joomla.org/Migrating_from_J ... Joomla_2.5

But before backup your website. Twice ;)
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seaside man
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:03 pm 
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Aidan38 wrote:
Hello,
if you have some knowledge in HTML CSS, you wont have to much problems to upgrade your template. You can see this article :
http://docs.joomla.org/Upgrading_a_Joom ... Joomla_2.5

To migrate Joomla!, it depend also of which extensions are installed on your website, have they an equivalent on Joomla 2.5 ?
To do the migration (on your local computer for example), you can read this :
http://docs.joomla.org/Migrating_from_J ... Joomla_2.5

But before backup your website. Twice ;)


my hosting company have said they will do it for me which is good of them, but i will need to get a new template. which means i have to buy a new template and then change it. i will need to go through all my modules and check which ones need updating, so it will be a big process.

I am just wondering how important it is for me to upgrade from joomla 1.5 to joomla 2.5, what are the benefits.

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Aidan38
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:38 am 
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I am just wondering how important it is for me to upgrade from joomla 1.5 to joomla 2.5, what are the benefits.


The benefits are simple :
Joomla 2.5 have a lot of new Features :
http://cocoate.com/j25/new

Joomla 1.5 is going to be not supported anymore from september 2012, that mean no more security release.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:50 am 
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However and whatever you do you must always take backups.
Even if your host is going to do it for you (extremely rare service) you should take a backup of your site and database BEFORE you let them lose on it!
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lip420
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For me it's not easy. I am doing it in another folder on my site and there's a lot of little stuff that I still have to figure out. Sometimes I am not sure if it's worth it. The main reason I am doing it is to get a certain module not on 1.5.

Everyone says the same thing, no security releases, etc. But I think it's just about the new thing, the latest release. I am not sure that it is important if you're happy with what you have. I am not an expert by far, so for me it's not easy and think sometimes it's not worth it. Not many people around here offer help. Ask five different questions and maybe get one good answer.

I could ending up ditching the upgrade as I can't figure out some stuff. Some stuff is like starting over again. You have to install components as old ones won't work, and adjust settings and some stuff just changed. Not easy and not simple for me anyways.
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For me it's not easy. I am doing it in another folder on my site and there's a lot of little stuff that I still have to figure out. Sometimes I am not sure if it's worth it. The main reason I am doing it is to get a certain module not on 1.5.

Everyone says the same thing, no security releases, etc. But I think it's just about the new thing, the latest release. I am not sure that it is important if you're happy with what you have. I am not an expert by far, so for me it's not easy and think sometimes it's not worth it. Not many people around here offer help. Ask five different questions and maybe get one good answer.

I could ending up ditching the upgrade as I can't figure out some stuff. Some stuff is like starting over again. You have to install components as old ones won't work, and adjust settings and some stuff just changed. Not easy and not simple for me anyways.


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However and whatever you do you must always take backups.


I think that it depends on whether you have a small site or a large site under 1.5.

If small, start with a fresh install of 2.5 and copy and paste your articles across from 1.5, search and download new 2.5 modules/extensions and set up as new.

If you have a large site, stick with 1.5 and make it as secure as is possible. (I have two large sites, one with about 1,000 pages and another with 6,000 pages. I have tried to migrate the 1,000 pages which has about 50 menus and in the end I have given up as there are so many problems with articles/menus/categories etc).

I may decide to build a new site for the one with 1,000 pages but I would expect this to take at least a year if not longer!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:00 pm 
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flyerdave wrote:

I think that it depends on whether you have a small site or a large site under 1.5.

If small, start with a fresh install of 2.5 and copy and paste your articles across from 1.5, search and download new 2.5 modules/extensions and set up as new.

If you have a large site, stick with 1.5 and make it as secure as is possible. (I have two large sites, one with about 1,000 pages and another with 6,000 pages. I have tried to migrate the 1,000 pages which has about 50 menus and in the end I have given up as there are so many problems with articles/menus/categories etc).

I may decide to build a new site for the one with 1,000 pages but I would expect this to take at least a year if not longer!


this is interesting as my site has thousands of pages and this worries me. what i need to know is,

1. once i have upgraded my site to joomla 2.5 will all of my articles still be there or will i have to then start all over again.

2. you say about making the site as secure as possible, how can we do this

it does annoy me that joomla keeps on upgrading and you keep having to go to the new version. i have had to do this three times now and it is getting beyond a joke.

the last time i done this, i lost over 10,000 pages and had to redirect thousands of them and still i have not done them all as i just gave up.

what i need is, to know that once i have upgraded the site then all the articles are going to be there and i can just have my upgraded template and the articles are still available to show.

basically what i am saying is, once i put the new template up then will the articles show

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lip420
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Not sure, my articles transferred over o.k, but I had/have other problems:
-contact form not working
-some css not showing properly
-components, have to upgrade

It's different, there are new features and some are gone from 1.5. It depends there's no guarantee every situation is different, may be o.k for you. But all open source software upgrades and has a new version.
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this is interesting as my site has thousands of pages and this worries me. what i need to know is,

1. once i have upgraded my site to joomla 2.5 will all of my articles still be there or will i have to then start all over again.

2. you say about making the site as secure as possible, how can we do this

it does annoy me that joomla keeps on upgrading and you keep having to go to the new version. i have had to do this three times now and it is getting beyond a joke.


Each site is different but take a look at your .htaccess file and move files like logs and the configeration.php outside of public.html (you will need to do some research about how to do these and make sure you have backed up your entire site before changing anything).
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lip420
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I also have realized that some work that I have done optimizing on 1.5 won't be carried over in 2.5.
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seaside man
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lip420 wrote:
I also have realized that some work that I have done optimizing on 1.5 won't be carried over in 2.5.


my hosting company have said that they cannot guarantee the articles will transfer over. they have also said i will need to get an updated version of the template that i am using.

i said to them about a new template, a quick install one and they said that if they done that then all of my data would be lost. they said i am best speaking to a developer if i want to make sure i keep the articles.

i am really on a tight budget so it looks like if they cannot guarantee they can keep the articles which i have a few thousand, then i am stuck with the old joomla

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Again you must take a back up of the site and database before beginning anything.
Test the migration on a localhost first
Either use the free JUpgrade extension or pay a little for SPUpgrade they are your two real options.
If you only want Users, Categories (including converted sections), and articles and are willing to lose any other non-core content then look at the J2XML and J2XML extensions which together achieve this, you have to recreate all your menus, modules, links etc.
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1. "Again you must take a back up of the site and database before beginning anything."
2. "Test the migration on a localhost first"

1. I have done, however how do I get copy of existing site onto a localhost copy, your 2 part?
Assume no knowlege of this other than I understand XAMPP is a local host way to go.
You advice appreciated.
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jackcola
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Hi everyone,

In the past two days, I have been busy migrating my site from Joomla 1.5 to 2.5 - beleive me, it's hard work, especially when things go wrong.

I actually used jUpgrade, which did everything for me. Just install it on 1.5, and it installs a copy of 2.5, moves everything across all well.

The only problems I ran into was with the extensions. First, you have to ensure the extensions are available in 2.5.

Some things didn't go so well, such as migrating from JoomComment to JComment, however, I successfully migrated that data. SobiPro had issues coming from the live site backup, but from my back/dev/test site, it migrated fine.

I did notice bugs, after bugs, after bugs. Some menus didn't work, but just re-saving them did the trick. Overall, with the bumps, I seemed to get everything migrated 100% - I'm sure I still find a few issues, but not many. And really, a few components didn't work, but my site hardly had any downtime. I was keeping an eye on Google Analytics's real time stats.

If you run into troubles, let me know and I will see if I can help
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eionmac wrote:
1. "Again you must take a back up of the site and database before beginning anything."
2. "Test the migration on a localhost first"
Assume no knowlege of this other than I understand XAMPP is a local host way to go.
You advice appreciated.

Download a copy of the site using your FTP client set to binary and add it to a subdirectory of xampp/htdocs/
Using phpMyAdmin take a DUMP(Export) of the database and all its tables.
Create a new database on XAMPP using its phpMyAdmin interface http://localhost/phpMyAdmin
Import the database tables from the dump files you have created from host.

Alternatively
Install the appropriate version of Akeeba Backup Extension on your remote system.
Take the backup and then install this onto Localhost using the Kickstart script provided.

Download and install the Akeeba Backup extension and follow the extensive documentation on its use.
This is becoming one of the most essential Joomla Extensions for all sites: http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... ackup/1606
Read the extensive documentation on-line at Akeeba Backup or download a copy of the same.;

Check the following compatibility tables for the appropriate version of Akeeba to use for your Joomla / Server installation. For details, see: https://www.akeebabackup.com/compatibility.html
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lip420
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The browser title settings are different in 2.5, I think in many cases you'll have to replace them. In 1.5 it took them from the article settings in 2.5 it takes them from the menu. I had to add 150-200 titles to the menus in 2.5. That takes a lot of time.

Also the editor tiny MCE in 2.5 knocked out a bunch of code in videos I had in my articles. That code needs to be replaced in each article, so I would say it's not easy and it's time consuming.
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jackcola
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Hi Lip420,

Sometimes it's best to do Migration a few times. The first time you do it, so what problems you face, like you mentioned, the second time you do it, try to prevent those problems for happening. E.g, disable all your editors before migrating the data, that way your custom code will always be intact.

When I did my migration, for some reason, it didn't work with my live site, but worked with my backup - not complaining as they were an exact copy.

Jack
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