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Awesome guys!!! Thanks for all your hard work, blood, sweat and tears!!! I can't wait to start playing with this one!
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I would not start yet because the strings are still being overhauled. Contact Ole if you want to help with that process.arisroyo wrote:This is a great news, I wonder if we can start to modify some additional and changes in translation part.
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What's next? Joining the dev team? Bug squad?Robert_Vining wrote: (See Brad, I came back for more than a 'tough discussion' thread!!!)
Good work, hope you stick around.. we're (at least speaking from my POV) are not as bad as some make out. 1.6 is going to be great as well.
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Wow
That's very good news... ACL happening for real, and looks nice.
Thanks
That's very good news... ACL happening for real, and looks nice.
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thanks so much, so far it all looks great, albeit acl somehow confusing i second amy that we will all be wondering how we made it so far w/o it
some issues though
1. is there any discussion between the joomla dev team and nooku team, it would be so good to have one good foundation rather than ....
2. JForms which I read in the announcement is to be seen nowhere... assuming it is a form component which is really a good idea to have around
once again, thanks for all your efforts
some issues though
1. is there any discussion between the joomla dev team and nooku team, it would be so good to have one good foundation rather than ....
2. JForms which I read in the announcement is to be seen nowhere... assuming it is a form component which is really a good idea to have around
once again, thanks for all your efforts
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Huge news! Well done guys.
I just experienced one issue during a test install - PHP errors regarding the system's inability to write to the sessions directory. I am using Slackware Linux 13 and it appears that the PHP session save path has been moved from "/tmp" (which is writable to everyone) to "/var/lib/php" which is writable to only the "apache" user group. The Apache version which ships with Slack 13 would not have generated this error since it runs as the "apache" user. However, I am using a patched and custom compiled Apache version (--with mpm-itk) which allows scripts to be run with their owner's permissions.
Thus to solve the sessions directory permissions problems, I added my user to the "apache" group and the installation proceeded smoothly afterwards.
Regarding the actual testing of J! 1.6 there one or two errors here and there (in the front end and back end) as expected but overall the it is smooth and quite fast.
Keep up the superb work guys, I can't wait for the 1st beta .
I just experienced one issue during a test install - PHP errors regarding the system's inability to write to the sessions directory. I am using Slackware Linux 13 and it appears that the PHP session save path has been moved from "/tmp" (which is writable to everyone) to "/var/lib/php" which is writable to only the "apache" user group. The Apache version which ships with Slack 13 would not have generated this error since it runs as the "apache" user. However, I am using a patched and custom compiled Apache version (--with mpm-itk) which allows scripts to be run with their owner's permissions.
Thus to solve the sessions directory permissions problems, I added my user to the "apache" group and the installation proceeded smoothly afterwards.
Regarding the actual testing of J! 1.6 there one or two errors here and there (in the front end and back end) as expected but overall the it is smooth and quite fast.
Keep up the superb work guys, I can't wait for the 1st beta .
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Hi,
Great to see it finally out there, well done all.
The sample data part is working in IE8 now but when i add a new category and then choose Apply/Save/Save+New it fails with the JS error below (Cance still works):
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Great to see it finally out there, well done all.
The sample data part is working in IE8 now but when i add a new category and then choose Apply/Save/Save+New it fails with the JS error below (Cance still works):
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Webpage error details
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Timestamp: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:49 UTC
Message: Number expected
Line: 16
Char: 89
Code: 0
URI: http://localhost/j16a2/media/system/js/mootools-core.js
Message: Number expected
Line: 16
Char: 89
Code: 0
URI: http://localhost/j16a2/media/system/js/mootools-core.js
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If i go to add new redirect and click on apply with or without adding any data then i get the error below:
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Illegal variable _files or _env or _get or _post or _cookie or _server or _session or globals passed to script.
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wow
but the same as in J1.5 no multilingual support. multilingual support is a core issue and not a component issue. look at all other CMS.
But good job
but the same as in J1.5 no multilingual support. multilingual support is a core issue and not a component issue. look at all other CMS.
But good job
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Thank you, MasterChief!!
It sounds like the API structure and event sequencing will be about the same, but with tightened up error checking and changes to the arguments passed in the API calls -- which means that developers could get a good head start by making their stuff fully comply with the 1.5 API.
It also sounds like the templating system have changes to the tags for rendering some of the components and that eliminating the tables will mean a template may not be prepared to receive what J 1.6 is spitting out. BUT, if I am understanding you correctly, the structure of a template, sequencing of events, and where the rendering tags are placed in a template will be about the same -- Meaning that templates won't have to be rebuilt from scratch, but that tags will have to be updated and tables eliminated or adjusted to accept the new J 1.6 output.
THE POINT IS:
1. I can probably reduce my template conversion problems by building new sites with tableless templates.
2. I should be asking questions about Full 1.5 API compliance when I evaluate a component, module, or plugin. -- If I understand you correctly, "Native 1.5" doesn't necessarily mean full API compliance.
It might be helpful if the extensions gallery had a tag for "Fully 1.5 API compliant"
That way site builders would know which extensions are likely to be more compliant and have less conversion problems. In the mean-time, I'll look for extensions that were built from scratch for J 1.5 on the (possibly dangerous) assumption, that if the extension started life under J 1.5, it's more likely to have less J 1.6 compliance problems than extensions that were converted to J 1.5 from J 1.0.
Maybe you could start a trend by labeling your fully-compliant extensions as "Fully J 1.5 API Compliant" and featuring that prominently in the extensions gallery!
Thank you again for the valuable info.
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Thank you for your response.masterchief wrote:Hi Liz
If a dev is doing things the right way, and is truly running on the native 1.5 API then they will be in a good place and have the least amount of change (for components, plugins, and modules).
I would assume the JED will include a version 1.6 label at the appropriate time. It's too early for that yet though.
The biggest issue is that out-of-the-box the CSS and structure will change (tableless, semantic, etc). 1.6 will have an impact on templates but there should be workarounds (to what degree I'm not sure) available.
It sounds like the API structure and event sequencing will be about the same, but with tightened up error checking and changes to the arguments passed in the API calls -- which means that developers could get a good head start by making their stuff fully comply with the 1.5 API.
It also sounds like the templating system have changes to the tags for rendering some of the components and that eliminating the tables will mean a template may not be prepared to receive what J 1.6 is spitting out. BUT, if I am understanding you correctly, the structure of a template, sequencing of events, and where the rendering tags are placed in a template will be about the same -- Meaning that templates won't have to be rebuilt from scratch, but that tags will have to be updated and tables eliminated or adjusted to accept the new J 1.6 output.
THE POINT IS:
1. I can probably reduce my template conversion problems by building new sites with tableless templates.
2. I should be asking questions about Full 1.5 API compliance when I evaluate a component, module, or plugin. -- If I understand you correctly, "Native 1.5" doesn't necessarily mean full API compliance.
It might be helpful if the extensions gallery had a tag for "Fully 1.5 API compliant"
That way site builders would know which extensions are likely to be more compliant and have less conversion problems. In the mean-time, I'll look for extensions that were built from scratch for J 1.5 on the (possibly dangerous) assumption, that if the extension started life under J 1.5, it's more likely to have less J 1.6 compliance problems than extensions that were converted to J 1.5 from J 1.0.
Maybe you could start a trend by labeling your fully-compliant extensions as "Fully J 1.5 API Compliant" and featuring that prominently in the extensions gallery!
Thank you again for the valuable info.
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Re: Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Alpha 2 Released
Does someone have this up on a live site with the new template that I can see?
I'm gettin ready to install this, but thought I'd take a look at it first....
I'm gettin ready to install this, but thought I'd take a look at it first....
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The development lists are public so anyone can contribute to such discussions, but I don't believe they are involved. Koowa, to me, seems to be on a divergent path to replace the entire Joomla framework, not augment it like some other devs do. That's totally fine and probably just means they have plans beyond Joomla for their framework, probably even make it standalone if I were to take a guess. Up to them really _shrug_.gobezu wrote:
1. is there any discussion between the joomla dev team and nooku team, it would be so good to have one good foundation rather than ....
JForm is a form "API", not a Form building component. You actually see it everywhere in the core, for example, as you edit and article. It's actually a by-product of my own CCK-like extension and it will benefit all the developers any sort of component (including, but not limited to, CCK's like Zoo and K2).gobezu wrote:2. JForms which I read in the announcement is to be seen nowhere... assuming it is a form component which is really a good idea to have around
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There are improvements being added that will help extensions like Joomfish (built in language table). There will be a language field added everywhere so you can actually set up a multi-language web site and switch between, for example, English and French, and then only content, modules, menus, etc, marked as French will display. This, I think, will actually meet a lot of the needs of many sites.Suli3 wrote:but the same as in J1.5 no multilingual support. multilingual support is a core issue and not a component issue. look at all other CMS.
However, there will be no dynamic/transparent translation like Joomfish does in the 1.x series as far as I am aware. That's a job for clean, new architecture in 2.x.
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But you say it is a job to clean why not now!! I mean it is a core issue this is a very NOGO for joomla which has a so big comunity
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Correct.oldbrit wrote:BUT, if I am understanding you correctly, the structure of a template, sequencing of events, and where the rendering tags are placed in a template will be about the same -- Meaning that templates won't have to be rebuilt from scratch, but that tags will have to be updated and tables eliminated or adjusted to accept the new J 1.6 output.
Yes, and apply some layout overrides like you see in Beez. These types of templates *should* just work. So, yes, there is a lot you can do to future proof your template.oldbrit wrote:1. I can probably reduce my template conversion problems by building new sites with tableless templates.
Correct, 1.5 Native means that an extension will run in Joomla 1.5 without the 1.0 legacy mode. The simplest question you can ask is "do you support Joomla's native layout overrides?". If the answer is yes, they are probably in a good place. If they answer no, it means the component probably works but you miss out on a lot of built-in goodness that Joomla affords you.oldbrit wrote:2. I should be asking questions about Full 1.5 API compliance when I evaluate a component, module, or plugin. -- If I understand you correctly, "Native 1.5" doesn't necessarily mean full API compliance.
Hard to do without probably a certification programme - which would cost the developer money. It's not a bad idea, I've just not heard any good proposals that would be affordable (to the certifier and the certifiee) and sustainable.oldbrit wrote:It might be helpful if the extensions gallery had a tag for "Fully 1.5 API compliant"
Well, I know I'm going to start marketing some of my JXtended extensions "1.6 ready". Hopefully that will catch onoldbrit wrote:Maybe you could start a trend by labeling your fully-compliant extensions as "Fully J 1.5 API Compliant" and featuring that prominently in the extensions gallery!
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Re: Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Alpha 2 Released
I am heading out the door but wanted to ask quickly, I know it's alpha so things are VERY rough but is it safe enough to begin creating a template for it?
Have to see, only had a few to play in the admin section but the change from Apha1 to Alpha2 for the acl piece is absolutely wonderful. I am absolutely loving it. I need to make a usergroup for each teacher in our district so I have been stuck with 1.0 but can not wait to start moving our template over to 1.6!!
Have to see, only had a few to play in the admin section but the change from Apha1 to Alpha2 for the acl piece is absolutely wonderful. I am absolutely loving it. I need to make a usergroup for each teacher in our district so I have been stuck with 1.0 but can not wait to start moving our template over to 1.6!!
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Testing out and here are the things I noticed:
*Installation went smoothly on localhost MAMP v1.7.2 using Firefox 3.5.3 on Leopard
1. Global Config > Default Editor -- Indicates CodeMirror but the plugin is not present.
2. Menu Manager > Add Menu -- The term "Menu Type" is confusing. Then I realized its the same as "Unique Name" in 1.5. While looking at the Module Parameters "Menu Name" still remains.
3. Media Manager -- Default image folder is now "images", however under "Options", the "Path to image folder" remains to be "images/stories".
4. When creating a "New" article, readmore is already inserted.
5. Setting Allow Ratings and Comments to "Yes" and nothing changes.
6. Editing the Article "Welcome to Joomla!" and hitting the "Apply" button repeatedly inserts "BodyText" on the intro part, so its now "IntroText BodyText...".
7. Cannot change default template to "Atomic"
Overall, I really like what's done so far. great work!
*Installation went smoothly on localhost MAMP v1.7.2 using Firefox 3.5.3 on Leopard
1. Global Config > Default Editor -- Indicates CodeMirror but the plugin is not present.
2. Menu Manager > Add Menu -- The term "Menu Type" is confusing. Then I realized its the same as "Unique Name" in 1.5. While looking at the Module Parameters "Menu Name" still remains.
3. Media Manager -- Default image folder is now "images", however under "Options", the "Path to image folder" remains to be "images/stories".
4. When creating a "New" article, readmore is already inserted.
5. Setting Allow Ratings and Comments to "Yes" and nothing changes.
6. Editing the Article "Welcome to Joomla!" and hitting the "Apply" button repeatedly inserts "BodyText" on the intro part, so its now "IntroText BodyText...".
7. Cannot change default template to "Atomic"
Overall, I really like what's done so far. great work!
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Re: Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Alpha 2 Released
Joomla has a huge user community, but we only have so many skilled developers and contributors that are able to help out with the required time. But regardless, you have to cap things somewhere and there is still many thousands of hours of work just to complete the access control/permissions system and to finish off 1.6 in general. True ML is a very *big* project - to take it on now would blow 1.6 into a 2012 release. I don't think anyone wants that. So, sorry, we just have to draw the line somewhereSuli3 wrote:But you say it is a job to clean why not now!! I mean it is a core issue this is a very NOGO for joomla which has a so big comunity
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No, it's too early and I would not install 1.6 on a live site. I don't know that it's secure enough yet.wingnut144 wrote:Does someone have this up on a live site with the new template that I can see?
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Personally, I would wait until the first Beta. The frontend markup is just not ready yet.ametzler wrote:I am heading out the door but wanted to ask quickly, I know it's alpha so things are VERY rough but is it safe enough to begin creating a template for it?
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Yeah, I'm working my way backwards through the backend components. Working on com_users next. The 'M' components are a ways offamg99 wrote:Testing out and here are the things I noticed:
*Installation went smoothly on localhost MAMP v1.7.2 using Firefox 3.5.3 on Leopard
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Re: Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Alpha 2 Released
Having difficulty installing this one. I have created a new database on my site and transferred all the files across. When I try to run the installation, I get "A file permissions error has occurred. Please check the permissions on the script and the directory it is in and try again."
I already run a joomla 1.5 website on the server so I know everything on the server is okay. I have even CHMOD the directories and files to 777 but the same error appears.
Any suggestions?
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I already run a joomla 1.5 website on the server so I know everything on the server is okay. I have even CHMOD the directories and files to 777 but the same error appears.
Any suggestions?
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Re: Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Alpha 2 Released
this is an alpha 2 release. Its not yet supposed to be installed on a live server. I suggest doing it on a local pc with XAMPP, wampserver or MAMP.
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Andrew, have you gotten any sleep lately?
Thanks for all the work you put into the code but also for the time you've spent in here engaging with the broader community!
Thanks for all the work you put into the code but also for the time you've spent in here engaging with the broader community!
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Yeah I do ok but others (like Ron and co) have been burning the midnight oil, that's for sure.imscoop22 wrote:Andrew, have you gotten any sleep lately?
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Thanks! You guys are doing an absolutely awesome job with it!!
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Hi when i try to install it i get this error..
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* Could not connect to the database. Connector returned number: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL"
I checked and double checked everything is how it should be.
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* Could not connect to the database. Connector returned number: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL"
I checked and double checked everything is how it should be.
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It's appropriate to remind everyone that Joomla 1.6 needs PHP 5.2.x (5.3.x may have some hitherto unfixed bugs) and MySQL 5.0.4+. Should be one of the first things you check.
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.. Lol {I checked and double checked everything is how it should be.} including the MySQL version...
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Just to double check - your db is created first before attempting the installation?
Just to double check - your db is created first before attempting the installation?
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