Discuss Joomla! 3.3.6 Released

[leolam]

I did answer you about a topic you asked and pointed you to the formal statements from the Joomla Leadership. Based on my experience these announcements will be updated and followed up as soon as we have tested future releases and they are approved by PLT for release etc.

Joomla 3.5 is delayed due to several issues discovered during testing and development especially with Backwards Compatibility and issues with the scheduled decoupling of the components announced earlier amongst others. Therefor we have now had J3.4/5/ and now 3.3.6 because we discover during development and testing always issues and some of these issues cause intermediate releases not foreseen initially (think here also about security issues that are been discovered which drove the 3.5/6 release)

At present we are still developing and testing new and improved functionality for Joomla 3.5 and we have no fixed date as far as I am aware

Leo

Note: Also questing future release schedules should not be posted in the discussion of a certain release imho. They should be posted in the appropriate forum so the actual discussion on this release and issues being encountered are getting full attention

[FlashRebel]

Thanks for answer Leo

[Webdongle]

According to this Joomla roadmap http://developer.joomla.org/cms/roadmap.html some core components will be removed next month. This raises at least two questions

1. Does this mean that a lot of the current bugs will no longer exist because the devs will not be maintaining the core components that contain the bugs ?
2. With more and more extensions in JED being commercial that a free Joomla as we know it will not exist ... and to have a comprehensive Joomla CMS it will not be free ?

[leolam]

Since you are an active contributor to the Joomla Community and an active member of several Joomla lists where this is perfectly well discussed why asking this here?

Leo

[Webdongle]

... why asking this here?

Because the subject about the roadmap and how 3.3.6 was brought up in this thread. As you should well know ... the biggest problems with updates are caused by the code in the 3rd party extensions conflicting with the code in the newer versions of Joomla. Thus my questions still remain unanswered.

According to this Joomla roadmap http://developer.joomla.org/cms/roadmap.html some core components will be removed next month. This raises at least two questions

1. Does this mean that a lot of the current bugs will no longer exist because the devs will not be maintaining the core components that contain the bugs ?
2. With more and more extensions in JED being commercial that a free Joomla as we know it will not exist ... and to have a comprehensive Joomla CMS it will not be free ?

[leolam]

... why asking this here?

Because the subject about the roadmap and how 3.3.6 was brought up in this thread.

And that was appropriate answered. Besides that you know all the answers to your questions very well but let me react as follows as well:

The reason for a delay with Joomla 3.5 as stated is mainly caused by conflicting issues we are facing with Backwards Compatibility which is a major issue in/with upgrades. The developers and contributors are working very hard to address these issues as you know as a subscriber of the Joomla Lists so you have no need to ask that question me think?

The components to be removed as suggested (and being a choice of installation by users in the installer or afterwards) in the roadmap are stil part of Joomla and maintenance of these components have never been put on discussion so yes for now I consider these components part of the maintenance cycle of Joomla (unless the PLT announces otherwise).

Joomla not being free is a very strange an provocative question and has no relation with commercial extensions which (and here I do agree with you for sure) is a trend that is of concern but cannot be avoided. People do develop extensions and either choose to provide them free of charges or have a license fee for support or whatever business model they choose applied. This is an old discussion and also does not belongs here in this forum especially where you know all these answers first hand very well.

Again, I am not sure what you want to 'contribute' with these questions?

Leo

[sovainfo]

1. Currently J3.4.0 has not been released. Upon release only weblinks will be in a separate repository. Expect the bugs to move to that repository. Due to the delay of J3.4 expect the release of J3.5 next year. Looking at the current PR's don't think that many will be transferred to the idividual repositories. Hope that the few that do will be taken care of more quickly as opposed to getting lost in the pile currently. Expect the same people to work on those issues.

2. Expect the core supported extensions to remain to be freely available. There are already extensions with improved functionality available as alternatives for core(-supported). Both free and commercial. Don't expect the commerial offerings to hurt the free notion of Joomla.

[Webdongle]

...And that was appropriate answered:..

The initial questions yes, however my questions arose from the initial questions and their reply.

... Besides that you know all the answers to your questions very well but let me react as follows as well:..

Very kind of you to tell me what I know but in this case you are incorrect. I do not know the answers to those questions because I am not a dev. Only the devs can really calculate the full ramifications of the development path.

A 'lighter' Joomla will no doubt mean less bugs and a Joomla with less core features will mean a heavier reliance on 3rd party extensions. The questions I asked are a direct result of the earlier mention of the roadmap and to which I don't have answers.

[FlashRebel]

personally think that model working in Wordpress is good. Main resource of extensions for Joomla is JED, so why not allow there only free extensions, that developers will be forced to do at least some basic core free functionality to their extensions ?
That ''advertising'' in JED for them is good motivation to do that.
Another think, less extensions there improve process of approving them from admins JED.

Btw. I hope that these core extracted Joomla component will sleep in garbage and nobody will spend energy on that. Its waste of time to manage that even if compatibility. Why back compatibility always win ? its not possible to do it these days. Joomla is little bit outdated compared to Drupal or Wordpress so some faster steps forward is important if Joomla dont wanna die

Also its good if Joomla will find some kind of business model instead of become crapy affiliate for hosting company.

Anyways I think many of us waiting for lightweight Joomla, what can really help performance, stability, security and even developers of extensions, so to whole community.

I criticize Joomla often, but on other hand ... excited and looking forward for Joomla without these mostly unnecessarily components, modules ... hope it will be just first step followed with others, bc. still find some ''features'' uselessly and on other side, some great features somehow forgotten ...

Btw. in regard to roadmap, why higher priority is set to multil-anguage than urls and SEO ? Urls and SEO use and need every user of Joomla while multi-language maybe 5% ? Please! We can have bootstrap, multi-language anything ... without well working URLS and SEO its still problematic web. Stay focused on important features what every user use and need instead of some minor ''features'' for small group of users.

[leolam]

Btw. in regard to roadmap, why higher priority is set to multil-anguage than urls and SEO ? Urls and SEO use and need every user of Joomla while multi-language maybe 5% ? Please! We can have bootstrap, multi-language anything ... without well working URLS and SEO its still problematic web. Stay focused on important features what every user use and need instead of some minor ''features'' for small group of users.

If you would follow the JBS/CMS list and would become a member of the JBS you would be able to follow all the (often hefty) discussions and the proposals on the List and on the other channels. A good example if you can digest so far 89 post + a lot of referrals is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... CAPIs980kk as well as 40 more so far https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... fRfLpCmMDw. We have the smartest developers working on the issues where you state we do not focus on so do not make such remarks if you are ill informed?

Happy reading!

Leo