I find the Guidelines to be very clear. I hear you repeating what the guidelines state, so I don't believe there is any confusion. I also hear you saying you don't like the guidelines, but unfortunately, we won't always agree on how to do something. It's a mighty large, international community. We're going to each want to be a little flexible.
Actually it's not a matter of like or dislike. It's a matter of can I promote my user group with regional flavor and promote the Joomla! brand, or not. The answer to that questions, according to my reading, is no I can't.
Joomla! is our name. As positive members of this community, I think we should each want to help build that identity. That does not mean, however, that Joomla without an exclamation point is not protected. It simply means we are named Joomla!.
I have no interest in promoting the Joomla brand at the cost of not being able to build our local user group. I already have enough trouble getting the word out, having a distinctive personal logo will help. If I can't have that and promote the Joomla! brand, well, too bad for the Joomla! brand.
Again, with minor changes, most of the *beautiful* submissions you shared will be perfectly acceptable. Let the artists know. I doubt it will take much effort for these improvements. If shared in a positive spirit, I am certain you will receive a positive response
Well, you stated my interpretation is correct. My interpretation says changing the word joomla to Joomla! will put us at odds with the guidelines because then it is not portrayed in a seperate/distinct manner enough.
Now, if your request to OSM for logo use is for your own commercial use, then, please, let's keep that discussion separate from the Joomla! User Group issues.
No, I used the commercial permission contact form because OSM doesn't have any other manner of requesting permission. The usage is for a local user group, not for profit(as opposed to non-profit). That doesn't make our usage commercial, it just means that is the only way to request permission.
Right now I have a good core group of a dozen people showing up and 20 more members who may or may not show up.
So it's time to go to the next phase of promotion...to promote /our/ group and Joomla.
Timing wise, it would have been nice to have it 2 weeks ago in time to have our logo added to the OrgCom site, http://www.orgcom.info/Holiday
Still, the next phase is to send out invitations to the local colleges and see if we can get some of them coming over. Having a logo and cafepress stuff setup so students who get the bug can wear shirts, knapsacks, etc with our logo and promote the group around campus would be good.
If we can get a good core of up and coming developers showing up, I'd like to focus that energy onto projects. Setting up a website for a non profit. Crushing Joomla bugs. Rewriting a 1.0 extention for 1.5 Etc.
All of that means promoting the group and Joomla. I'm more than willing to work with OSM to promote the group, Joomla, AND the Joomla brand. But I'm not a risk taker. If the way we're promoting the brand might have them sending us a cease and desist letter, and my having to pull all the promotional material and rework it...well, I'm not interested.
It is far easier to explain that we don't use the Joomla brand due to legal difficulties, than have to explain that we had to change our own brand due to legal problems.
Will any of this materialize? I dunno. It's fun trying to put it together though.