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  When I set article configurations manually for each article everything displays correctly. I would like to use "global configuration." Have tried several things but none are working. How do you set global article preferences? Using "preferences" from the article manager doesn't work. Have tried to find this in the user manual (for 1.0.11) don't can't find it anywhere.

Rev. Tony

Later: I see that my global article configurations ARE working. It's that the don't work on the "Frontpage." Apparently "Frontpage" configurations are competing with them. I see how to set menu configurations but "Frontpage" is different. How to I set my configurations for "FrontPage" so they don't compete with my article configurations.

Front page has the same parameters as other kinds of content links, I think.

Parameters on the menu link overrides any preferences on a specific article.

http://help.joomla.org/component/option ... temid,268/

How do you set the parameters for "Frontpage"? I see no way to do this. I see how to set parameters for all other menus but Frontpage doesn't show up as a menu.

You are quite right. The only way to set params to the Frontpage articles is either to use an section/category/articles construction.
Use the preferences button in the top of that page to set the prefs for that category and than publish the articles on the Frontpage.

Otherwise, but you know that I suppose, using the Frontpage manager and use the Advnaced parameters on the RH side.

I'm still not able to do this. I DO use an article / category / section structure. I see how to set parameters with menus. I see how to set parameters with articles. I think I know how to set global article parameters (from the article manager -- "preferences" window). Everything seems set correctly but if I use "Global preferences" for a particular article the title, author and creation date are NOT displaying on Frontpage although they DO display in the regular menu they are set to show up in.

I do not know what the "RH side" is. What are the "advanced parameters" that you say are available there when I am in the Frontpage manager? When I am in the Frontpage manager I do not see anything called "advanced parameters.

Thanks for your help.

I must apologise. Of course you cannot add an article using the Frontpage Manager.
However, you can edit the articles from the Frontpage manager.
If you double click on an article in the Frontpage Manager list, it takes you automatically to the Article Manager.
This means that you set the parameters to the article as you already do.
The Frontpage manager is to be used to "manage" Frontpage articles, publish, unpublish and archive.
Not the way the articles need to show or which options are to be used.
This is done using the Article Manager, as you know.

What I mean with RH side is "Right Hand"  side of the page in an opened article for editing.
The Advanced Parameters area gives you all the globals, butI must admit that all these globals do NOT show under the preferences button in Article Manager.

I do not know why that is I am afraid. I have been wondering this myself.

I hope I am now a bit clearer

Pieter,

Thanks for staying with this. I knew most of what you said. When in the article edit page I know I can set the parameters or leave them as "Global". I want to leave them as global. It will be easier and faster. Since most of my articles can have the same parameters. Also, if later I DO want to change the parameters I do NOT want to go through hundreds or articles that have specific parameters set. I want to just be able to change the global article parameters and then all the articles should have the new parameters.

For some reason, now, when I put an article in Frontpage it does NOT show the: title, author and creation date. However, these are the global parameters I have set and they do display in every other regular menu display.

Tony

Aha, I get the picture now. I seem to have seen this as a bug but do not know if something has been done about it.
I take it that you are using the latest svn of Joomla 1.5? If not may be you should download this first and see whether this will solve your problem.

@mod may be one of the Q&T team should have a look at this and log it as a bug.

I am using Joomla 1.5. Is there a subdivision of that? How would I find out what subversion I am using? Someone else installed the program.

The parameters cascade. The menu link parameters over ride the article specific parameters which over ride the globals.

To add a bit of detail to mcsmom's comment. Tony, if you are looking the menu item you need to change, find your home page menu item. In Joomla! v 1.5, it is the menu item marked as "default." Typically, it's the first item in the main menu. Click the name of that menu item and look at the parameters in the right column. Those are the ones that are overriding your Article Global configuration. Change those, as needed.

Hope that helps,
Amy

Wow,
Learned something again. I did not know that.

The nice thing of this forum/community is that with a thread the knowledge gets gradually extended until the solution is there. It is sort a tree of knowledge.

Thank you all. It has been helpful but NONE of these suggestions solved the problem. However, I think I figured this out. Apparently none of you know this. Maybe a "Newbie" discovered something. 

Yes, specific article parameters override global ones. And menu parameters override any article parameters and (apparently) global menu parameters are set by the "default" menu. (I haven't tested this yet.) Why this is inconsistent with the way global article parameters are set seems WEIRD to me but what do I know? Also, why isn't the button that allows one to set global article parameters named "Parameters" instead of "Preferences"?

However, apparently, Frontpage "parameters" (these are independent of Main Menu parameters) are set by the parameters designated by the article chosen to be the lead article in Frontpage. These parameters will override global article parameters but NOT specific article parameters. So, the Frontpage lead article's specific parameters will override all the global parameters of all the articles that appear in the Frontpage, but NOT their specific parameters. I do not know what happens if you have chosen more than one lead article but I have no reason to test this.

This whole parameter hierarchy spelled out  above does NOT make a lot of sense to me. Perhaps it was not meant to be this way but this is the way it is functioning. I've tested it again to make sure.

Tony

I'll look at what you are saying to see if I can replicate it, Tony. That would be a bug if the first article on the frontpage is what sets the parameters for the page.

It is *supposed* to work like this, from default to override:
Article Preferences (Global) - Menu Item Parameters (Override Global) - Article Parameters (Override Menu Item and Global Article).

(If it were working that way) would that make more sense?

I learn from new community members constantly. That's part of the fun staying involved in the forums. 

I'll try to find time to do some testing and report back. Welcome to Joomla!,
Amy

10 points for the newbie!

Excellent detective work.

And that article preferences/global parameters change of wording drives me crazy.

These parameters are best considered in the same way as cascading style sheets one is nested inside the other, inside the other. Global Parameters are best considered as the default that will be set unless a change is made further down the line. The only missing setting that I think would actually help a lot of people is a means to reset all articles within a certain level back to the global/default setting otherwise it is a case of manually re-editing every Article etc.

Andy

That *would* be nice, yes!

Second that

Andy, what I was saying was that it should be either global preferences/article preferences or global paramaters/article parameters.

Yes. Absolutely.

Someone please submit this to feature request. 


If this is true, we should place this in document page. This will be very helpful for developer. At least .. for me.

No, from Rob's post the menu over rides the article. That is what is confusing, because I think to a lot of us it seems as though the article should be the last stop on the cascade, but if you think about it, it kind of makes sense for the menu to control it since then the article could be displayed differently depending on the specific menu link.

Elin

Is this what you refer to. see pics

@Andy - yes - I believe that is what Elin is talking about.

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@Elin - I found that post, but I really do think that is incorrect.

I think this is wrong, as well, I finally see what Rev Tony is saying. IMO - an article parameter should *not* override the Frontpage menu item parameters, IMO. I think both are errors. This is *not* the way it was done in past versions.

Here's how I think it should happen:

If the Frontpage menu option says "Use Global" then the Article Preferences (Globals) should be used. But, if the Frontpage menu item says "Show" for Author Name, then author name should shown on the frontpage blog for each article. (Never should specific article parameters override a frontpage or section blog or section layout page.)

If the article parameters say "Use Global" then the Article Preferences (Globals) should be used. But, if the Article parameters say "Hide" for Author Name, then the author name should be hidden on the article page.

Doesn't that make more sense? So many details! 
Amy

Yes,that does make sense. It has al to do with "heritage", but with the possibility to override at a certain point in the tree.
Changes halfway to an particular  article should NOT influence the rest of the tree higher up and/or lower down. These changes are owned by that particular article.
Thats's MHO of course.

Andy, on mine is says preferences.

Yep and mine - this was to clarify what you wanted to see before I committed it.

yes that is what i want to see.

Tis done ma'am

revision: 9352 

Thank you Andy.