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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:18 pm 
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Discuss: Joomla 1.6 Beta Released

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A huge thank you to all those involved in reaching this important milestone. :)

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:36 pm 
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Great, wil work with it right away !
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:49 pm 
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I just ran a quick test of the beta, and it was a very pleasing experience. The new features are great improvements, making the system even more versatile and useful for almost every kind of sites. And even with all these improvements, it's very familiar. I really look forward to the stable, and the switch to new and better Joomla! Thumbs up guys! Excellent work really!


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:53 pm 
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Congratulations!

Exciting times indeed!

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:18 pm 
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Well done guys and gals.

Been following development closely of late - but was still taken by surprise by the beta.

Looking forward to the next few weeks and the exciting times ahead.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Sorry if this has already been covered, but will there be a direct upgrade path from beta to stable? I would like to begin site development on 1.6 beta now, but will hold off if there is a risk of having to redo any work.

Thanks for any insight!


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Great work everyone!

@Redrings, no guarantees but the API and database should not have any more changes.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:35 pm 
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mcsmom wrote:
@Redrings, no guarantees but the API and database should not have any more changes.


Thanks! I think I'll just play around with this for now then and wait for RC1 before starting anything serious.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:00 pm 
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redrings wrote:
Sorry if this has already been covered, but will there be a direct upgrade path from beta to stable? I would like to begin site development on 1.6 beta now, but will hold off if there is a risk of having to redo any work.
Hi Redrings.

Our tradition is that there is a path to upgrade between betas but it will not be automated. Database diff's are generally provided if required (I don't expect any but you never know) and upgrading files should be a matter of overwriting the old ones. I doubt we'll provide file diff's during the beta period.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:03 pm 
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I've just installed, and it looked very nice.
Thanks for a job, very well done. :)

I have to say though, that I'm disappointed fro not seeing a built-in tagging system in it just as the case with wordpress.

Keep up the good work!

By the way, I have some questions:
1- When 1.6 is alpha, is a migrator need to move from 1.5 to 1.6, or just the usual patch?
2- Any changes in character encoding? (hopefully not)
3- Should I expect that extensions working with 1.5 will work with 1.6, or do I have to wait for developers to have new releases?

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:42 pm 
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I can easily say I was surprised (and excited) to hear the beta came out. My buddy emailed me with the news and I was like, really? wow...so, time to play with this thing and try a site out with it.

There is one problem though and I haven't seen too many (actually none) posts or information about extension development with third party developers. In a sense, it's almost like Joomla 1.6 will not have a single extension available for it, so the big question is....how many developers have been working on a 1.6 version of their extension(s)?

...acquiring minds will want to know

Still, this person is excited.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:24 pm 
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PyroCode wrote:
There is one problem though and I haven't seen too many (actually none) posts or information about extension development with third party developers. In a sense, it's almost like Joomla 1.6 will not have a single extension available for it, so the big question is....how many developers have been working on a 1.6 version of their extension(s)?
Most developers will wait with the development of 1.6 extensions untill the final database structure & API are known.
That's with the release of Joomla 1.6 Beta so I'd expect that developers will now start with the development of 1.6 extensions...

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:58 pm 
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Hi Pe7er...hopefully they will only do the updates to my favorite ones...haha...but realistically, I am hoping most don't wait too long to take advantage of the new 1.6 (which for some reason I keep calling it 2.0...don't ask me why, I'm not sure). Anyway, I'm starting a new site concept which will focus more on templates for 1.6 so I plan on using the beta for the live site. And yes, I know a person should not use betas on a live production site, but thought, hey, might as well jump right in and use it as a basis for the site concept. Still, very excited with this.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:28 am 
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I have been waiting for this moment for a longgggggg time lol great work guys.

I do however have a few questions if thats ok.

1. Is Beta 1 stable enough to be running on a live site?
2. How compatible are the 1.5 joomla plugins, components and templates with this version?
3. Can you migrate your joomla 1.5 site to this version?

Thanks for all your hard work.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:51 am 
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dark_dragon wrote:
I have been waiting for this moment for a longgggggg time lol great work guys.

I do however have a few questions if thats ok.

1. Is Beta 1 stable enough to be running on a live site?

No.
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2. How compatible are the 1.5 joomla plugins, components and templates with this version?

Maybe, however that is something the template and extension developers would be best to answer. Now that 1.5 is beta, I am sure you'll see a number of them getting to work on that.
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Please see: viewtopic.php?p=2145848#p2145848

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:45 am 
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dark_dragon wrote:
2. How compatible are the 1.5 joomla plugins, components and templates with this version?


There are number of changes developers will need to make to various extensions but none of them are particularly onerous. There is a long (but still incomplete) list of changes in 1.6 that can be found in this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/joomlabu ... b36fa976a7

The end result is developers will likely have to make separate 1.5 and 1.6 versions of their extensions, and no 1.5 native extension will be able to install on 1.6 without slight modifications.

Developers *should* start preparing their 1.6 versions of extensions now. 1.6 is feature frozen and unless there is a particular problem, the database schema won't change.

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3. Can you migrate your joomla 1.5 site to this version?


The plan is, yes, to migrate from 1.5 to 1.6 via "some process". We've been waiting for features to freeze before heading into this territory. Unfortunately I can't give you any more information than that at this time.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:27 am 
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Nice work, good to see progress being made on Joomla 1.6. Hats off to all the volunteers.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:46 am 
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I know the 1.6 beta is not for production purposes, however, I am trying to do the necessary testing. I took one of my 1.5 templates and changed the xml file to 1.6. When I install it the template does not show up in the template manager anywhere. Even when I duplicated one of the default Joomla templates that came with the 1.6 beta and uploaded it, it still did not show up in the template manager. Am I missing something? How are we supposed to test out the new beta? Is there a way to install/test other templates that didn't come with the installation. If so, please advise. Thanks in adanvace.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:53 am 
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I was Just giving the beta a try i have a question?
I am Using IIS 7.5 and with the Search Engine Friendly URLs On the links do not work. All the links go to a page like this
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All I see "Use Apache mod_rewrite" IIS has a rewrite mod but this does not seam to work with IIS. is there a way to get Search Engine Friendly URLs to work with IIS ?

if you have Search Engine Friendly URLs off and Use Apache mod_rewrite off links work correctly.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:23 am 
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Hello

I found few problems:

ACL Problem: i try to deny access to delete/edit for manager but after save, admin and superadmin also are denied to delete/edit. Doesn't work even i set allow for both admin/superadmin. It's look like instead of send access rights to lower level, send it to higher level of access.

What to do: go to an article, set Manager rigts in Delete tab to Deny then press Save. Try also for admin. Work fine for publisher or Shop Supplier.

"Reset to inherit" and "Back to group": what options should do because i'm still on same page and still have custom access set to groups.

New article: publish start date show : 0000-00-00 00:00:00, should'n take current date?


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howman wrote:
All I see "Use Apache mod_rewrite" IIS has a rewrite mod but this does not seam to work with IIS. is there a way to get Search Engine Friendly URLs to work with IIS ?

if you have Search Engine Friendly URLs off and Use Apache mod_rewrite off links work correctly.

Could you do a test with Joomla 1.5 at the same server? I suppose that you will run into the same error.
Your problem seems IIS related because mod_rewrite is not possible at IIS (only at Apache webserver).
See also the Joomla! on IIS webserver forum for installation of Joomla (1.5) on IIS.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:25 am 
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Congratulations Joomla Team, great to hear that Beta 1 is finally out.

Got a few Questions as i tested the Beta a few Minutes:

Media Manager - Couldn`t find it. Has it been removed completly, or only for the Beta??
Version Control - I thought that one part of J 1.6 is the Version Control of Content, will that be added in the Future?

This is pretty much it, there are a few other things, which cought my eye, but i believe there are mostly a beta Symptome. Look & Feel of creating new Modules, etc. This has been better in J 1.5.

thanks again for this Great success.


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:38 am 
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Hi, brilliant, looking forward to playing with it.

Where do I go to report issues, or see if others have already resolved issues? (Only home page templates are working on my first 1.6 install :)

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:02 am 
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Hi Mario. Thanks for the kind words.

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Media Manager - Couldn`t find it. Has it been removed completly, or only for the Beta??
It's been moved under the "Content" menu.
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Version Control - I thought that one part of J 1.6 is the Version Control of Content, will that be added in the Future?
No, that was never on the radar for 1.6. Having said that, some new plugin events should make it possible to build a fairly robust solution on top of 1.6.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:11 am 
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Hi Gary

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Where do I go to report issues, or see if others have already resolved issues? (Only home page templates are working on my first 1.6 install :)
Issues are logged/reporting on the 1.6 issue tracker, and it can be found here:

http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/joomla ... er_id=8103

You will need to have a JoomlaCode user account to be able to post them there. That is the point of truth that the Joomla Bug Squad uses to track and solve issues in the source code, features and so on. Make sure you include all the metrics of the system you are testing on (PHP, MySQL, browser versions, etc).

Associated with that is the Joomla Bug Squad mailing list. This can be joined here:

http://groups.google.com/group/joomlabugsquad

If you want to discuss any issue (possibly find out if it is a bug, or see what people think about tuning any of the new features, etc), that's the place to do it. Just note, that during beta we won't be talking requests for new features.

Finally, there is a public chat available using IRC and this can be found at irc://irc.freenode.net#joomla-bugsquad This is a great place to hang around and pick up the ropes.

There will be more information coming out soon on the JBS and some initiatives we'll be taking to help people slot into where they can or want to help most. It's certainly the most exciting and possibly most challenging (in a good, fulfilling way) place to be in the project at the moment :)

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:15 pm 
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hi,

i have tested out the beta version. wonderful work thank you!

there are no comments feature more or did I just overlook this?
i thought "joomla1.6" have a build in comment funktion?

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@smirre no there is no comments function, it did not make the cut off time for inclusion

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masterchief wrote:
Hi Redrings.

Our tradition is that there is a path to upgrade between betas but it will not be automated. Database diff's are generally provided if required (I don't expect any but you never know) and upgrading files should be a matter of overwriting the old ones. I doubt we'll provide file diff's during the beta period.

Hope that helps.


Thanks John-117,

I don't mind getting my hands dirty as long as there is some sort of path to take. I'm itching to get things going on 1.6 so I think I'll go for it after all. I'm excited about taking advantage of the nested categories and ACL - both are areas where we've struggled with making Joomla work for our needs in the past. Once some sort of versioning is built in (1.7?) this will be perfect for us.

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