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language dependent content

Postby jewei » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:21 am

My site has 2 language which is english and farsi and each language a template.

How do I only show content / menu / news in respective language and hide if translation is missing. (not just hiding the content buy also title, basically the persian user won't know the news or content that did not translate into persian.)

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Re: language dependent content

Postby jewei » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:06 am

anyone can help me? let me simplify the story again.

How to publish content with respective language only?

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Re: language dependent content

Postby Mackelito » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:28 am

I´m looking for a solution to this as well...

Right now I have Swedish, finnish, english, chinees and a few more on the site and I would like the content relevant to english users to be shown only when english language is choosen!

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Re: language dependent content

Postby ubmongolia » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:54 am

Anyone, please?

I also running multilingual news and information site with English, Spanish and French. Default language is English. When there is no translation, I want to display only available translations in Spanish and French.

Looking forward to this solved.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby akede » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:56 am

Hi folks,

what about reading the Joom!Fish manual / wiki?

http://forge.joomla.org/sf/wiki/do/view ... i/HomePage

There you find a point on how to use language dependend menus (which relates to content), images and so on.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby jewei » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:31 am

The problem is not with the menu, but with the content. It's true the menu will lead to content, but to further separate the content according to language is what I want.

Say, a site is multilingual with English, Swedish, and Chinese. Each Language has its own menu, which is not a problem. Some content is shared between languages but not translated to all 3 languages. Say, a news regarding to google setup an office in China. The news only available in Chinese, no problem to publish in Chinese Language. But English and Swedish will show (1)original news with Chinese text; or (2)default text; depends on option. But I want a third option, which the Chinese text news do not show up at all in English and Swedish language. And the English and Swedish user shouldn't know there's such news, but Joomfish doesn't has the translation, it is not nice to show the user default text. How to completely remove this news from English and Swedish users?

After 1 week of searching the answer, I believe the only way to achieve the result is to do a little hacking.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby Geraint » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:01 am

Justin

The problem with what you want to achieve is that Joomfish is given material to translate and know nothing of what the component will do with the material afterwards.  Joomfish cannot just 'delete' or not deliever the material since this may mess up the logic in the component. 

For example a component could "deliver" Joomfish 11 items to translate - if Joomfish only returns 8 translations the component may try to display or process the missing 3 and the website could crash.

The only way to achieve what you want, that can think of, is for Joomfish to add a flag to a missing translation to say "ignore if possible" and for the component to have the logic to deal with such a flag.  This is unlikely, in my opinion, prior to Joomfish becoming part of the Joomla core codebase.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby Mackelito » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:11 am

Why dont you just make one template for each language and copy the modules used... one for each language.. and place them in diffrent positions... ok I know.. a bit more work but that should solve it.. right?  ???
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Re: language dependent content

Postby jewei » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:04 am

:( Okay. Seems like Joomfish at this moment couldn't help. Dual template and two set of modules method defeat the purpose of using joomfish having central control of content, now even the content have to duplicate, like semi-dual-site.

Anyway, thanks to Geraint and Mackelito and the rest who tried to help me with this problem. THANKS  ;)

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Re: language dependent content

Postby akede » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:37 pm

Hi,

I don't get this. If you look at http://www.unric.org - they are running a site with 13 different languages. Sometimes the same content, sometimes different content.

May be you try again to explain your problem/intention and we try to find the solution.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby Mackelito » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:50 pm

akede wrote:I don't get this. If you look at http://www.unric.org - they are running a site with 13 different languages. Sometimes the same content, sometimes different content.


Well how do they do that?  :laugh:
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Re: language dependent content

Postby akede » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:07 pm

Do what? The management - with the Fish!

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Re: language dependent content

Postby jewei » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:50 am

OK. Very simple. browse to www.unric.org, click on latest news, then click on any news from the list, change the language from the language drop down box. You'll see there's no translation for news, they only translates the static content, and some modules change in left and right column as the language changed.

Now back to my problem. Say in www.unric.org again, now since the news only available in English version, it's good if the English is selected, user can read the news in English. But I don't want to show the news if the user switch to other language beside English. The desire result should be a blank list if user click on the 'latest news' while no news where translated.

This might seems ridiculous if you say what's wrong to show people the original English language news or just show the default text. But I want to be sensitive to my user, say an Arabian who can't read English at all. The Arabian should view the site only in full Arabic, not a single English word, the English news definitely is a no no to appear in his screen. Further more, English is RTL but Arabic is LTR, It's a mess to mix these two language in the presentation.

As Geraint said, one solution that might work is for Joomfish to add a flag to a missing translation, or return a null value, then the Joomla component will ignore the missing translation and not showing it on screen.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby akede » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:28 pm

Ok,

what they did is a bit like what you say.

UN translated plenty of sites where the content is excatly the same and just translated. This applies e.g. for all main links in the top such as http://www.unric.org/__Peace_and_Security.html .

With the news they have used a diferent strategy. The 13 editors write their news only in their language. So you have news in English and other news in German or Spanish or what ever. There they do not use translations as they the news in a certain language mean a kind of regional interest as well.

This is solved thru the connection that they use different categories for each language. Meaning they have News-English, News-German ... as categories below a section News.

This is excatly what you describe what your wish is. They do not show the German news if you browse the English site. Organized and controled is this thru the mod_mainmenu_ml and a special template they use.

There is only one issue which affects you as a admin - if you have news that you want to be common later and translate it to all your languages you might need to move them to a different category and show them thru a more general link.

I hope this helped a bit. We are always looking into those issues - mostly it means we need to optimize our documentions in order to make those things more easy to understand.

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Re: language dependent content

Postby airliners » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:46 pm

Any solution to this old problem that i`m interested in too???


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