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I realized that the JED team has created a new e-commerce category and included there both bridges and native components:
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... tegrations

Our component (AceShop) is not a bridge, it includes OpenCart in the package and operates just like all other shopping cart components:
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... pping-cart

90% of the components in the new category are bridges and users will come to our site thinking that it's a bridge and we'll have to explain to all of them one by one.

Can anyone assist on this issue plz?

raise a ticket?

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I did it right now but I also wanted to learn what the others think about this?

So its an integration of a 3rd party installation inside Joomla?


Don't understand this statement. the category descriptions says: "Bridges and integration with independent e-commerce systems".
Maybe users would also go to a bridges extension site and ask if they are an integration of 3rd party system?

Maybe the solution would be create 3 different categories:
1- extensions that requires only joomla to operate
2- extensions aimed to be bridges to a non joomla system!
3- extensions that requires both joomla and a non joomla system to operate!

This would be something similar to slideshow categories (separated by the type of script used)

But with bridges solutions becoming more and more integrated with joomla, where to draw the line from #1 to #3?

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With integration end users understand that OpenCart should be installed separately and tries to do that. I'm talking with exprience from our customers. But OpenCart comes inside AceShop.

Let me explain the point, AceShop is a native Joomla component just like Hikashop, the only difference is that it uses OpenCart in the code part.

So from the user view, AceShop is and works just like HikaShop.

To be a little more clear, why confusing the mind of users and give us problem with them by creating a new category if the component operates like other shopping carts?

AceShop does not require OpenCart as it is inside.

So having 2 categories is fairly enough: 1) Bridges 2) Shopping Cart.

I do remember that the same question has occurred for bridges extensions (on a different top category) and the same argument come from some devs: "users don't need to know, they should choose on out a single category, not looking in different categories!"

JED its for Joomla extensions, not just to display things but also to inform users on what they can get (that's why we have editor's notes, types and so on). To be an information tool for users, JED needs to present that information on a way that's easy to understand!.

When an extension relies on a 3rd party script (that have "his own life", that can be run independently, have different team of coders, and so on) this should be clear to all users.

This should apply not only bridges or separated installations but also integrations even if those integrations are seamless to users.

The main question here is: users need to realize that extension "A" uses own code but it also include 3rd party code that will have its own direction.
If I was looking for an extension I think I should find it clear. These means I should also look into the 3rd party solution to get a global idea of what I'm really choosing (as at the end there are 2 teams crating the extension i got)

This is not try to confusing people, and please consider that oversimplifying can become misleading!
This can be an advantage or a problem, it depends of the 3rd party name (in this case
I think all openCart integrators try to gain using a 3rd party solution)

The way to make this clear can be more than one. The categorization its the easy/clean one. Maybe we can find a new way?

Maybe some more ideas form other users so this can also be applied for other categories

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Thanks Paulo for your detailed reply.

First of all, I'm not saying that "users shouldn't know", if you could check our listing on JED you'll see that we mention about OpenCart and the integration from the first lines of description as we're proud of bringing such a powerful e-commerce application into Joomla.

The point I'm trying to describe here is the being "integration" or not from a user view. I agree with you, JED must inform users on what they can get but as always, we shouldn't over-egg the pudding.

AceShop does not rely on a 3rd party script (OpenCart), we have fixed tons of bugs caused by OpenCart. We've never said to our customers that it's caused by OpenCart and we can't make this done. Based on our past in Joomla world, I can surely say that we're able to make any change we want.

As for your "main question", even if the "own code" term is relative, I agree with you that it should be clear and as I said above, we clearly mention about this on every part of our site/listing. I don't want to mention here that there are listings on JED that uses Nooku/Zend Framework or other "things" but they're considered as normal listing.

After this, let's concentrate on the solution.

Let me summarize the current situation :

MageBridge
Category: e-Commerce Integrations
Type: Bridge
Installation: You should install the component and Magento separately.
Working method: You enter the products, categories etc from Magento and display in Joomla.

RokEcwid
Category: e-Commerce Integrations
Type: Integration
Installation: You should install the component and make the integration with Ecwid.com
Working method: You enter the products, categories etc from Ecwid.com and display in Joomla.

HikaShop
Category: Shopping Cart
Type: Component
Installation: You should install the component.
Working method: You enter and display the products, categories etc from Joomla.

AceShop
Category: e-Commerce Integrations
Type: I say component, what do you say?
Installation: You should install the component.
Working method: You enter and display the products, categories etc from Joomla.


Pay attention on the Installation & Working method plz. According to the above chart, where do you think that AceShop should be? Putting such components in a different category becomes misleading.



My Suggestion
Keep AceShop and other similar components in the Shopping Cart category AND add an editor note saying that it includes a 3rd party script inside.

Any thought on this Paulo?

Also, the jCommerce for OpenCart listing is renamed wrong, the extension integrates osCommerce not OpenCart.

I think that's the best and informative way of publishing that sort of extensions.

Because if it is not a bridge, then it is not a bridge... If it uses another script then it is...
So only needed, JED should inform users that "this extension based on another GPL script and you don't need it to install seperatly"...

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Paulo, can you plz at least confirm that you're discussing this issue with JED team?

Paulo, I can see that you've logged the forum everyday but not replied even to my simple questions.

Can you plz provide support to us for this critical JED issue?

Anyway, it seems there is none from JED team monitoring these forums so I'm going to open a ticket.

@Denis - Bumping threads is against the forum rules and I'm sure you know that. Either way, the product you are providing *is* an integration with another e-commerce product, despite the fact that the extension installs the other product, thus, the category it is in is correct. I'll respond to the ticket the same.

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Thank you Matt for your reply, I would prefer to discuss this issue in public.

I HAD to bump in order to get a reply after 2 weeks, I couldn't imagine if I hadn't bumped...

Can you plz comment the comparison chart I wrote above?
What does integration mean for JED?
What are the criterias for JED when categorizing an extension?

I strongly insist that AceShop can't be in the same category with MageBridge and RokEcwid, they're totally different extensions.

Pardon, I just realized that you've already closed the ticket so the only way to communicate is this forum.

I'm also on translation forum and portuguese forum so i'm not on every place every day!
I didn't replied first because I was waiting for others input.

I like the notes as "Enes" and you stated. Its late now but tomorrow I will be back to this and take a final look!

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Did you find any time to check this Paulo?

Done. http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... pping-cart
See the note if its OK

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That is more than OK, thanks Paulo for your time.

After 1 year, we're (MijoShop) again in e-Commerce Integrations category:
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/22028

It seems we should discuss this again?

open a ticket.

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@mandville
Thank you for you interest but in the tickets system, you get the first reply after 10 days, the second after 7 and so on the third one. Meaning that you have to wait 1 month for 3 replies. Also, this issue not related just with MijoShop and if you read the previous messages, you'll see that it should be discussed in public.

Returning to the topic, yesterday it was moved back to the proper category but now it's again moved up to the "e-Commerce Integrations".

This attitude, playing silently, does really hurt us, developers. Can the JED team plz kindly share their thoughts?

Can you plz comment the comparison chart I wrote above?
What does integration mean for JED?
What are the criterias for JED when categorizing an extension?

"OpenCart inside Joomla"

Your extension is an integration. It wraps OpenCart into a Joomla extension, therefore it's an integration. It shouldn't have been moved to the other category to begin with but that was on us.

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Matt, can you plz be so kind in answering my questions? MijoShop is definitely not a wrap/bridge/iframe.

Can you plz comment the comparison chart I wrote above?
What does integration mean for JED?
What are the criterias for JED when categorizing such extensions ? (GUI, workflow, installation)

Denis,

Workflow, GUI or installation have no bearing here. If you take an existing application and put it into a Joomla extension your are integrating it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/integrate
verb (used with object)
1. to bring together or incorporate (parts) into a whole.
2. to make up, combine, or complete to produce a whole or a larger unit, as parts do.
3. to unite or combine.

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As stated , the proper route for Jed support is the ticket system. It may also be usefull to explain why you list a comparison chart from last year and it shows aceshop not hikashop

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@mandville
Here you can find the why http://[no tiny url]/VZjAaM AceShop => MijoShop, the issue is the same. Can you plz allow us to discuss this topic with the community?

Sorry, did not read Matt's reply.

But Matt, think from a user point of view; You have MijoShop, Ecwid and MageBridge in the same category, are these working in the same way?

As horus_86 stated above, "JED needs to present that information on a way that's easy to understand!.", right? Not theoric things.