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doko
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:10 am 
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Having a play with the new menu refactoring (which is v. cool) - if the Search Engine Friendly URLs and Use mod_rewrite are both turned on ... Then the menu appears as http://www.domain.com/menu-name.html

Confirming this correct?


Then... the default content loads several menus : main menu (core), user menu, top menu etc...
If I add the same menu name under main and top menu (ie Introduction) but point to different articles they appear:
main menu link : http://www.domain.com/introduction.html
top menu link : http://www.domain.com/introduction.html

They are separate menus and articles, but the links point to the same article.

Is this a bug?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:11 pm 
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I can confirm this problem. Seems to be a bug indeed. Let's wait what the dev team says about the issue.
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Core Devs Discussion on this

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Correction Phil: development workinggroup discussion, we don't have a core development group any more ;-)

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I stand corrected :-)

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doko wrote:
If I add the same menu name under main and top menu (ie Introduction) but point to different articles they appear:
main menu link : http://www.domain.com/introduction.html
top menu link : http://www.domain.com/introduction.html

They are separate menus and articles, but the links point to the same article.



It is not only the same name, but also "page not found"warnings if this facility is switched on.
Ie.

http://happyhome:82/index.php?Itemid=48 ... m_weblinks
works

Switcing it on gives

http://happyhome:82/index.php/web-links

and creates a 404 error.
This was on 6964 and using FF.

When I do a preview, the homepage is correct, every following page is a 404 error. It seems that the first page is correctly connected to the respective id, but every next page requested gets the mechanism in a twist.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:12 am 
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Technically it can be considered a bug and we could try to implement a failsafe for it so that you cannot create menu items with the same name twice in the same hierarchical level.

But first ask yourselve, is this really something you will be doing ? Taking from a 'static web' perception it would not be possible, you cannot link to mysite/text.html and then have to different text.html right, this is simply because of file name collisions.

So 1.5 also doesn't support this, the only thing we don't have is a failsafe that reminds you when you try to create the same menu item twice.

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I agree with you, Jinx. A failsave would be a good idea, especially for the less experienced users.

Tools like Dreamweaver etc. do tell you when checking the html of the site that you made a mistake.
We need to follow the w3c standards of course, but why am I saying this. Everybody knows that ;) .

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Scenario:
2 Menus, first is called "Department X" and is displayed when choosing the department from the main menu, second is called "Department Y". Both contain the entry "Contact". Baam!! Your routing is killed. This is way worse than the ItemID issue with frontpage...

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Not sure I understand what you mean, if I read it correctly this would be the structure ?

- Departments
    - Departement X
        - Contact
      - Department Y
          - Contact

Correct ?

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No, main menu:
- Some stuff
- Department X (ID = 2)
- Department Y (ID = 3)
- Some other stuff

Departement X menu Module shown when ID = 2 with content:
- Some stuff
- Contact

Departement Y menu Module shown when ID = 3 with content:
- Some stuff
- Contact

Thus, same level, same menu name, same SEF URL.

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Well yes, however I don't consider that a bug. It's more a situtation that could occur but would go against any basic rules of good IA. For example for accessibilities sake how is a blind user going to know the different between 'some stuff' and 'some stuff' ? He will expect it to link to the same content as there is no markup context to differentiate the two.

This discussion kinda ties in what the discussion on the development forum about=http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,140836.0.html routed URL's and internationalisation. The proposed solution there was to add alias capabilities to all content for 1.5. Doing this for the menu manager would also solve this problem.

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Well it actually happens on the main sites.
both the main menu and the search menu have "search"

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brian wrote:
Well it actually happens on the main sites.
both the main menu and the search menu have "search"


Those are aliases, they link to the same content not to different content. 1.5 has a spefic menu type called an alias to deal with this.

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Didnt spot the alias link I will check that out.

The two searches are slightly different however as one of them displays the modules associated with the news site layout.

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Still, I see a quite huge problem here. It creates a restriction that wasn't there before and if we would take this to the end, we would have to remove the ability to have different menus and just make it one tree, where you can show a part of it in a menu module, like the start and end parameter in mod_mainmenu.

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Have to agree with you hackwar

I just realised that in one of the sites I manage each main menu item pulls up a new menu for that specific section of the site and in each of those new sections there is a menu item calendar, gallery and document eg

Main menu Items
School, Parents, Pupils, Governers

Section menu Items
News, Calendar, Gallery, Documents

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So besides pointing out how bad things are, maybe any suggestions to fix these problems ?

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As you know I am a user not a developer, unlike yourself and Hackwar.

I "guess" one possibiity would be to have the "menu item url" derived from a combination of the menu name and the menu item name
So in my example (or hackwars earlier one)

in my school site it would be
Int he parents menu
Menu item display = Calendar
Menu item url = parent-calendar
In the student menu
Menu item display = Calendar
Menu item url = student-calendar

IE menu item url = $a-$b
$a=menu module name
$b=menu item


Does that help?

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Or if it is a single menu with parent items then it would be

menu item url = $a-$b
$a=parent menu item
$b=menu item


This method should not require anything extra on the userside apart from maybe a switch to enable/disable this feature

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How about a config parameter for the menues to define a kind of prefix. You set for example "department_x" in that parameter and every item of that menu gets an URL like "/department_x/level_one_item/level_two/etc/".

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That would work as well but would require an extra step for the user and i guess more coding.

MY proposal requires nothing extra for the user to do

At the end of the day to a non-programmer like myself both of these options sound like a viable solution to a big problem and that shouldnt be too hard to implement.

Are either of these possible Johan??

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Fixed on SVN, added alias support to menu items.

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Thanks, just spotted it on the changelog. Will try to find some time this week to test.

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