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Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:42 am

Hi all,

as you might know prosolution has stopped developing for Joomla!, this is unfortionate, as OpenWiki was is a good wiki for Joomla!. At the moment, there is not a good wiki component. OpenWiki has been forked to continue development in NuWiki, but the developer has let me know that he hasn't got much time to do the developing, so I don't forsee anything happening there in the (near) future.

He has however released the last available version of OpenWiki, but this one has some bugs in it (search and backlinking not working for one). that is why I would like to ask the Joomla! team to allow me to get my hands on the install of OpenWiki/ JD-wiki they are running for their documentation. Everything seems to work fine there.

I need it for the documentation of RSGallery2, so it is not just some personal use.

Perhaps even a public release could be considered?  ;D
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Tonie » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:25 pm

Mmmm, you can ask Chris Davenport or ianmac. I doubt if anybody will know if specific things have changed on the installation. Marko has done the implementation to start with. There's also a good chance that we're going to use MediaWiki more in future.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:15 pm

why use mediawiki if this is working well?
is there a good mediawiki Joomla integration possible?

I'll contact them about this, thanks
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Tonie » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:00 am

They have been testing a few wiki solutions. I have been following the discussion on the sidelines, so I would also ask them why Mediawiki is chosen.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:36 pm

I've checked out the differences and I can see where mediawiki is more usefull for Joomla!'s extensive documentation needs, using a database is just more efficient then

I'm going to try to update NuWiki to the latest dokuwiki version myself as I haven't recieved an answer yet,
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Chris Davenport » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:26 am

Hi Daniël,

I'm happy to let you have a backup copy of the dev.joomla.org version; it is GPL after all.  I wasn't aware that it differed from the regular version so I'd be very interested to know what differences you find.

As Tonie has said, we (the Doc WG) are in the process of moving from DocuWiki to MediaWiki because it meets our needs better.  In particular it supports modular documentation natively through the "transclusion" mechanism.  To achieve the same in DocuWiki would have required us to write some custom extensions to the wiki code.  The fact that we don't have any integration with Joomla! was not a major consideration.

This is not to say that DocuWiki is in any way "bad".  It's just that with MediaWiki we find that we can save a lot of time doing the kind of stuff we want to do; and time is our most precious commodity.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:29 pm

Chris,

thank you for sending me the backups. Are you sure that this was a fully working version? The search and backlinking features are still not working. Perhaps it's just my config or system that is the culprit in the this issue.

If all else fails, I'll try a wiki in an Iframe (wrapper)
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Postby Chris Davenport » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:34 pm

Yes, I copied the files directly from dev.joomla.org.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Gergo Erdosi » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:44 pm

Daniel Tulp wrote:The search and backlinking features are still not working. Perhaps it's just my config or system that is the culprit in the this issue.


A bit off, but I have the same problem. I use NuWiki on my site, and I'm just writing now, because Chris, you are the developer. :) Look at NuWiki on my site, and try to search for something:
http://hu.zenwalk.org/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=20

For example when you search for 'netpkg' the result shows nothing, but there are a lot of pages on the site, where these words can be found, for example:

http://hu.zenwalk.org/index.php?option= ... kezikoenyv
http://hu.zenwalk.org/index.php?option= ... gitsegevel
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:25 pm

ok Chris thanks, I'll see if I can find a way around it, if not, the wrapper will have to do
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Chris Davenport » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:54 pm

erdsiger wrote:A bit off, but I have the same problem. I use NuWiki on my site, and I'm just writing now, because Chris, you are the developer. :)

Much though I would like to help, I am not familiar with the code and I simply don't have the time to look into it at present.  NuWiki was a straight copy of the OpenWiki code, developed by Marko Schmuck to integrate DocuWiki with Joomla! and has not been modified since.  As far as I'm aware the version on dev.joomla.org is the same, unmodified code.  Following Daniel's request I have the "raw" files from dev.joomla.org available if you think they might help.  Just ask.

If you, or anyone else tuned to this frequency, would like to help further develop NuWiki, or even just fix any bugs that are found, then please say so and I'll get you added to the project.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:36 pm

for now I'll just use a wrapper and an original install of DokuWiki, one nice benefit is that I now have the most current version of DokuWiki

thanks for you efforts
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Gergo Erdosi » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:20 pm

Chris Davenport wrote:Much though I would like to help, I am not familiar with the code and I simply don't have the time to look into it at present.


Understand. :) I thought that NuWiki is just based on OpenWiki and you modified the code, but didn't know that it's the same. :)

Chris Davenport wrote:If you, or anyone else tuned to this frequency, would like to help further develop NuWiki, or even just fix any bugs that are found, then please say so and I'll get you added to the project.


I'm interested in the DokuWiki integration, and I'm planning to integrate it for Joomla 1.5, but I'm currently just learning how to develop 1.5 extensions, so I can't join to the project now, just maybe when stable version comes out. I read on the tracker, that the NuWiki name is taken, so it's possible, if nobody will develop a component for DokuWiki, I will start a new project.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Predator » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:02 pm

There are small modification to the dev.j.org wiki and openwiki but the search should work in general by adding

to the footer.inc or footer.html


also you need to run once the http://www.domain.com/components/com_op ... ndexer.php
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Chris Davenport » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:29 pm

Thanks Marko.  Your input is appreciated.

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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:40 pm

I had already tried the indexer.php, is it correct that you get a whit screen with only a .gif file on it?

The was already there in the jd-wiki install I got from Chris, which did have the bugs, and adding it to openwiki (NuWiki) had the same result, so no luck there
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Predator » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:09 am

Daniel Tulp wrote:I had already tried the indexer.php, is it correct that you get a whit screen with only a .gif file on it?


This is ok ;)

The was already there in the jd-wiki install I got from Chris, which did have the bugs, and adding it to openwiki (NuWiki) had the same result, so no luck there


Strange as you notice on dev.j.org it works nicely so the error seems somewhere else, maybe a good time to check your apache logs to see what happens.
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby Daniel Tulp » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:16 am

I noticed the joomla dev uses the save mode hack, rsgallery2.net doesn't need that, perhaps this enabled something, I'll ask for the logs
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Re: Wiki component for Joomla! -> Joomla! documentation

Postby EMRhelp » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:55 am

OpenWiki was great.
I'd love a non-iframe version of Nuwiki that works !

I really feel that Joomla! would benefit from a DEAD SIMPLE native wiki.

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