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Hello everybody,

this new forum is a place to discuss matter that are related to multi lingual sites. Topics like

• Charsets
• Translations
• Intetragion

should be adressed here.

Please this is not a pure Support-Forum for the MambelFish component which is actually the defacto standard for multi lingual sites within our CMS. Use the forum to also discuss problems of translations or even share help to translate content for each others site.

We called the forum multi lingual sites, because in one of the next releases this feature will become core and with that the MambelFish itself will vanish from the component list.

Best greetings to all of you

and have fun

Alex

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hope to learn about this multi-lingual stuff... i'd like to do this on my own local dialect.

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This subforum is welcome by the Greek users! We need the multilingual functionality!

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Hi Alex,

Nice to see that the topic "multi language" has gotten a place on the forums. Been a big fan of the Fish from the start ! Hope it will be integrated real soon, going to be a big improvement.

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Romanian Translation Team is ready to start the work... 

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Hi folks

We're using a multi-lingual environment with 13 languages, using mambelfish. The hard language is the greek.
Even adding the ISO encode for greek (ISO-8859-7) on the language file/template, the browser doesn't recognize the greek encoding (and continues on Western encoding). The other problem is, if I input the data using the western encoding (ie. on mambo admin) what's going to happen with greek language if we force ISO to 8859-7?

Thanks a lot
Igor

Hi Igor!

You don't have to add the ISO encode for greek (ISO-8859-7) on the language file/template! In that case you might have problems with the other languages, since the template php-page is the same for all languages!
To make myself more clear, have a look at the jpg I attach for you:
Just complete this page - which is Components > Mambelfish > Language configuration!
You can see that also my admin language is Greek, for that matter. And the site works really smoothly!
One more thing: Check your general configuration file, and see if the locale is right.

Hope it helps!
Maria

Hi Maria

Thanks for your tip.

But actually it's not working on our website, maybe because our default language is english, not greek.

I put back "el" for greek ISO coding.

You can check it live here:

http://www.europeanrunic.org/beta4

Thanks
Igor

(PS: Check attached file)

Hi Igor!
BTW, nice site!!

OK, I find 2 things different from my configuration:

1. In your URL, when changing languages, the ISO shows (lang=el).
In my URLs, it is the Name that shows (lang=Greek).
I don't know (yet) why this happens.

2. You use the 2-digit symbols for languages, I use the ISO itself.

3. In the source of your page when in Greek, the ISO is still 8859-1.


This comes from the source of your URL
http://www.europeanrunic.org/beta4/home/2.html?lang=el

Now, I entered in the offline source 8859-7, and I saw pretty good greek in the Search input box!

So, what I would do if I were you, is try to enter ISOs instead of 2-digit symbols.
Maybe you would like to visit this URL, it was very helpful to me - remember that you must have different ISOs for every language!
http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html

Hope it works!
Maria

Hi Maria
great information, thanks a lot. Im going to follow and read more about char encoding on monday and keep you updated.
thanks again
Igor

ps: anyway, I think I can force iso 8859-7 direct from my template html code.

Hi Maria
Back to work on greek language.
Now, ISO is set to 8859-7 but the browser still in 8859-1. If I change manually to 8859-7 it works perfect.

http://www.europeanrunic.org/beta4

The ISO code on template looks the same as mambo.gr but there is working. I don't know why it won't recognize my page as iso-8859-7.
Intro text is fine both in 8859-1 and 8859-7 because I've just copied from dreamweaver and it turns the greek letters into &....; so doesn't matter the ISO code in that way.

Thanks
Igor

Hi Igor!
Well, right now I can see very good Greek on your site, except for the Search input box.
Your page is still on 8859-1 (see image).
But if I manually correct into 8859-7, I also see the Search input box in Greek!



I think that this point of yours maybe the solution: Different Locale on our PCs..... We all have to have Greek locale in Greece, and you have a different one....!



Yes, this is normal, coding into UTF8.

Well Igor, I cannot start to suggest that you change Locale in your PC, it would be quite funny for everything else!

Regards,
Maria

igordutra,

The only solution I found to control the browser was to add to the .htaccess file. I had the same problem, Spanish characters did not work in the Search box.  My code: Substitute 8859-7 and it should work.

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But my default ISO should be 8859-1 instead 8859-7.

Actually I'm testing on a linux server and ISO encoding is working different (in the right way). It's because the _LOCALE variable on language files (now it's working with most of the languages, just need to change mambelfish module).

http://www.extrabold.com.br/~runic

but on windows it's still not working.

http://www.europeanrunic.org/beta4

Anyone knows how to configure this in windows server (apache or php config?).

Thanks
Igor

Hi Igor! (too much work these last 2 days...)
Maybe you can have a look at this topic:

http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,4426.msg35194.html#msg35194

Interesting, I haven't thought of it!
Regards!
Maria

An idea I had was that the contents translations page should have more options for sorting by section, category, search field, etc. (Unless there's a way to do this that I don't know yet)

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Hello we are finalising the magasy version of the langages for mambo.
We would have like to know what direction jamloo is going to take about language. I have read the spec of the langage translation ( draft 4.3) 04/19/05.

Is there anyway to be kept posted about what is going to change in the core var and table ?
We are working on component and like to stay compatible.
regards

Hey,

we are working on the integration of the language manager and language integration at the moment. When finished up with this we will release this special version to the translations teams thru the subversion.

Based on that you can easily update your language files and compare them with a diff.

Does this help?

Alex

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When I think of ideas I think of two things about setting up a multiligual site that can be improved.

Joomfish should have the capablity of importing a completed translation table on new installs. The installer should be able borrow a mysql script for a language and run it to get a translation of all basic install text. Having a definition file is not enough. People are repeating the process of translation with every new site which should be unnecessary. Have a starter package would let them turn their resources to making corrections and improvements.

There should be a joomfish repository for finished mysql translation table scripts. This would allow people to get the closest possible translation table that would cover their particular install(s)

Joomfish should have a function for creating and exporting these scripts
Joomfish should have a mechanism for importing them

Joomfish should have a mechanism for comparing inplace tables with newer imports of the same language. (german and other languages have two translation types and may be mixed)

Joomla should have a concentrated effort to become the premier cms for multi-lingual sites

Caching. Even with Joomla caching turned off most browsers cache the encoding and will sometimes give false positives for charactersets. Joomfish when it becomes part of the core should have a browser cache dump (forced refresh) on language switching.

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UTF-8 Chinese?

Is there any charset switcher "on-the-fly" that can be used for instance to change content text from ex. cyrillic to latin??
In that case input must be non-latin.

Is it possible to develop something like that?

If you use apache2, please try


Same problem was shown here.
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... l#msg72492

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Produce a functioning searchbot for joomla 1.0.4. It is broken

Release a stable version for joomla, as you announced months ago 

(as I don't mean to be rude)

I think most mf users are well aware that you have no obligation whatsoever. Things do get a little different when you announce releases and then just dissapear leaving us all clueless.

Hi igordutra,

before going mad... try to unpublish some modules from your homepage.

Sometimes a module (e.g a thumbviewer from an integrated gallery) may cause an uncorrect understanding of the charset.
That's happened to me, with a thumbviewer of the Gallery components integrated in Joomla...

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doing this thru your browser is not enough..?

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The footer's text in .../include/footer.php is some kind like "static" text - in case of multilinual site makes a little problem ...
So we can change it:
First edit your language.php files in .../language/ folder (e.g. english.php ):
Add at the end of file:

Repeat this for every language file in .../language/ folder (e.g. polish.php , russian.php, german.php , ... etc.)
Now, edit your .../include/footer.php
Insert in proper place something like that:


This is all you need ...
Mambelfish will do the rest on your site 

Hello,

I am new in these forums. I browsed a bit around and I don't seem to have found any message concerned with how the CONTENT (rather than the inteface) can be effectively translated.

Let's suppose you are a company operating globally.
Let's suppose your Web site uses Joomla, set up to support 5 (or 10) languages.

Let's also suppose the following:
- 5 or 10 new pieces of content are written in English (or whatever the primary language is) EVERY DAY
- the new items need be translated in all other languages, rapidly and efficiently
- some paragraphs of the new content are often the same or similar to paragraphs of previous content (marketing material tend to repeat itself)

What would be the best solution to translate content and feed the system quickly with it?

In my opinion, the only way is to have a system that can be interfaced with TRANSLATION MEMORY SOFTWARE (like Trados, Heartsome, or the opensource SUN Microsystems Language tools: https://open-language-tools.dev.java.net/)

With Translation Memory tools - used by professional translators -  you can "recycle" previous translations which are stored into a database and retrieved if the system finds perfect or fuzzy matches.

Now, if your Joomla site is of an international company which operates globally, you may want to send new text off to professional translators. So you need to export new text efficiently, in a standard format that can be read by Translation memory tools.

To me it is a bit strange that XLIFF or TMX formats don't seem to have been mentioned on Joomla forums.

If Joomla intends to be multilingual, those formats are the ones to tackle.

[Read an interesting article on XLIFF here: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/x ... -localis2/

What do you think?

Cheers,
Joe

Hi I know I am new hear... so sorry if I say something that has been said a million time before.
Here is a multi-lingual wish list from me

1. a sticky link to language packs (joomla/components/mods/fish add ons), kind of a one stop link repository because it can be very hard finding language packs, and a lot of people don't know there is... ohh say a japanese remository language pack I've heard it exists, just never made it into the remo site.
2. This one is more of a dream.. but I really think it would be cool to start an online db where multi-language developers can have kind of an instant translation lookup. I mean it seems like a lot of mods/coms use common terms (well to be honest the internet uses a lot of common terms), and if there is an easy to use place (kind of a rosetta stone for internet site programing), well it would make language pack creation that much easier... especially if some one gets creative enough to build it so that you have the ability to upload you definition php files (using predefined common terms, select your language and make a language pack.

for example
in English out Japanese

if (!defined('_DOWN_CATEGORY')) define('_DOWN_CATEGORY','Category');

comes back

if (!defined('_DOWN_CATEGORY')) define('_DOWN_CATEGORY','カテゴリ');

if the site was designed well enough at the front Category in english would have a word key of say 102 and a language key of 1
and カテゴリ　would also have a word key of 102 and a language key of 12

If a match isn't made just stuff the original text back it....

Well I've thanks for listening to my dream!