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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:56 pm 
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Well we know to install it is normal like any other installation but many servers dont have facility to run elgg like hostgator for instance!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:41 pm 
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hello dear chouxpastry2002

j cannot wait to see the biest running on my server...
just downloaded the newest version - 1.5 and trying to get the biest up on to my server..

i am very couriouls - can t wait to see the thing up and running...

But chouxpastry2002: Well - or we need to ask the ohter devs for the BETA-Versions of Anahitapolis.com & tuiyo.co.uk

what do you think --- love to hear from you...
where are all the others - let us discuss the things... ;)


WAIT: CAN I CREATE A DB VIA phpMyAdmin!? look forward to hear from you!!

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Well both the coming projects are exciting i have gone thorugh all the sepcs of both they will surely make some impact in the world of Joomla with for community aspects.

I am also following buddy press and its developments. It is also one which suits my interest.

Try it as well :)!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:09 pm 
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hi there

i will have a closer look at buddy-press too.

chouxpastry2002 wrote:
Well both the coming projects are exciting i have gone thorugh all the sepcs of both they will surely make some impact in the world of Joomla with for community aspects.

I am also following buddy press and its developments. It is also one which suits my interest.

Try it as well :)!!

Sam.


and currently i am setting up the db for elgg 1.5 - curioous to get the thing up and runnning.. ;D

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saw something useful at

http://community.joomla.org/blogs/commu ... ate-3.html

It says that it can integrate joomla with Elgg so i am giving it a try to it lets see how much it gets successful!!!


Very good find. Despite the issues on GoDaddy servers, Elgg is a very good community application.

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good day hello Unlimited Dynamics

great to have you back!

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chouxpastry2002 wrote:
saw something useful at
http://community.joomla.org/blogs/commu ... ate-3.html
It says that it can integrate joomla with Elgg so i am giving it a try to it lets see how much it gets successful!!!

Very good find. Despite the issues on GoDaddy servers, Elgg is a very good community application.


let us share the experience - the first one who has the twins (elgg & joomla) up and running can show his solutions... i am currently working on it...

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i am coming up with a gret elgg website soon keep your eyes over this thread guys :)!!!

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hi there chouxpastry2002 - good evening - hello @all


[just hope that this is not tooo of-topic here] - it belongs to the setup of elgg-biest.

chouxpastry2002 wrote:
i am coming up with a gret elgg website soon keep your eyes over this thread guys :)!!!


just run into errors with the automatic-process of updating settings.php via the admin panel - so i try to do it manually - while editng the settings.example.php [that is to rename into settings.php ]

one question here:

just to make shure that it is done right - here

http://reference.elgg.org/settings_8exa ... ource.html

what do i have to do with the double brakets that i find in the following lines '{{CONFIG_DBUSER}}';

00027
00030
00033
00037
00042

should i erase the doulbe brackeets and write the corresponding data just witin the ''
that means ... should i write like this...




'myusername'

'mypasswd '

'localhost'

etc...


what should i do!?

thx of some clear thougts here . thanks inadvance

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Jesus which host you are using for installing Elgg as it has many issues with diffrent hosts available

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hi there

we have got a root server - but my serveradmin is very restrictive

i will respond later - i will reportall

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what is this @linanyi??? Trying to promote your websites here???

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:34 am 
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hi there

which one

chouxpastry2002 wrote:
what is this @linanyi??? Trying to promote your websites here???



look forward to hear from you

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hello - well the discussin is quite very very good

[at the wihte-paper-forum there are very intersting discussions are going on]

i just found out about http://rpxnow.com. RPX plays the role of intermediary between social networks and Joomla. You'd just need to implement a RPX authentication plugin for Joomla and you could allow users to register via OpenID, google, facebook etc...

It also forwards user info such as emails, birthdays etc... back to Joomla, which is nice. However, it's payware: basic system is free, then for more features it's $9/month and up.

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RPX makes it easy to add OpenID based single-sign-on and its family of protocols on your website. We help you accept user sign in from providers like Yahoo! and AOL, making it extremely simple for users to get in and start using your web application. It runs on our servers in the cloud and is accessed via simple, restful API calls. RPX is a proxy between your website and the OpenID provider, and is completely transparent to the end user. The service looks like this from a very high level:


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OpenID authentication, Simple Registration, and HCard profile data are all available through the RPX API. Adding RPX to your website doesn't require any changes to your database, and its only requirements are the ability for your servers to make outbound HTTPS calls and to parse JSON or XML. If you are adding OpenID to an existing web application, RPX can also help you enable OpenID for your existing users with our mapping API.
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well food for thoughts - what do you think about it!?

Let us discuss this things - And now i found out more: The Joomla-folks [user, supporter and devs] at the white-paper-forum discuss lots of things: They make sense to me: Well see the below - food for thoughts - lets us roll back the sleeves and see the great options Travel over and see viewtopic.php?f=500&t=317216

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JFusion also has Elgg integration, you can download the package from:

http://jfusion.googlecode.com/svn/branc ... ackage.zip
http://www.jfusion.org/index.php/info/b ... -team.html

It has full usersync, dual login and wizard functions. Visual integration is currently undergoing testing (display Elgg as a Joomla component) and we also hope to have options soon where you can use Elgg avatars.profile inside your phpBB3 software.

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JFusion also has Elgg integration, you can download the package from:

http://jfusion.googlecode.com/svn/branc ... ackage.zip
http://www.jfusion.org/index.php/info/b ... -team.html

It has full usersync, dual login and wizard functions. Visual integration is currently undergoing testing (display Elgg as a Joomla component) and we also hope to have options soon where you can use Elgg avatars.profile inside your phpBB3 software.

Thanks, Marius

Thanks for the update. I've been following JFusion / Elgg integration closely and am likewise interested in the JFusion / Wordpress integration that is currently underway.

Though, with that said, with the introduction of Joomlaworks K2 (CCK) serving as a feature-rich content management system and the soon-to-be released Joomla Anahita Social Engine, there may be little reason to extend beyond the scope of native Joomla.

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Though, with that said, with the introduction of Joomlaworks K2 (CCK) serving as a feature-rich content management system and the soon-to-be released Joomla Anahita Social Engine, there may be little reason to extend beyond the scope of native Joomla.


Not exactly. Elgg doesn't provide CCK-like features and is not for content management in the usual sense. Coupled with Joomla, Elgg offers strong but simple social/collaborative features to complement Joomla's strengths as a flexible content management and application platform. Anahita may be too big for many users with more modest or budget-sensitive needs. Will Anahita have a free or low-cost version? IIRC, it is more of a high-end enterprise-oriented, commercial project.

To minimize segregation of data and content, the best integrated social platform is probably Drupal or Joomla with a native social/community extension. (CCK and general content management is better in Drupal as well, among other things; the problem is the UI and learning curve involved in developing and maintaining Drupal sites.) The downside of Joomla+Elgg or Joomla+anything is it's just a link for user authentication. For anything more, you need to develop and support it yourself.

I would break it down this way today:

Joomla+Community Builder: flexible, widely used, free solution with a fairly convoluted, non-optimal UI and no third-party templates to speak of. Templating is rough, and CB is not a designer's dream. The default layout and views are based on a MySpace concept, and it predates web 2.0 thinking, so a lot of that stuff will have a tacked on feel. CB does not provide any common areas for actual social interaction; it just gives you custom user fields and profile pages with a lot of plugins that add to the profiles. A collaboration with the highly under-developed GroupJive extension is underway, but by itself CB does not offer any group functions. It is not an out-of-the box solution if you care about originality and design.

Joomla+JomSocial: Flexible, popular, ~$100 (USD) solution with a good UI and decent templating options. They default layout and views are based on a Facebook concept. It is pretty quick and easy to set up and have looking good out of the box. Quite solidly Web 2.0 with grood group features and integration with Azrul's comment and blogging extensions.

Joomla+Joomunity: Free. Currently in Beta 3 (January 2009) Development seems slow and their own site has never worked very well. Facebook Connect system has worked well ahead of others. Seems promising and pretty but under-supported. Design concept seems similar to JomSocial, very Facebooky.

Elgg: After a rocky start in the fall of 2008, development and community support is strong for Elgg now, currently moving toward a 1.6 release. (1.2 was released in December 2009. For several years prior, Elgg 0.x was developed, conceptually a precursor but totally separate with no migration path to 1.x.) Elgg is all social network and only social networking. It has a Facebook 2.0 flavor influenced by Twitter, but (showing its educational roots) it is more oriented toward collaboration with user blogs, group blogs, and group forums. Organizationally--as you can see on the Elgg Community site--it is not a good solution for large sites that do not have a strong curator team, especially since it is weak on moderation functions. If text information and especially file sharing (where version history is critical) accumulates at a high rate, Elgg becomes soup--although for the purposes of fostering anarchic, hands-off growth in an open source community, this is the typical model. Elgg has no backend to speak of, uses an MVC system, and is modified via plugins that supplement and/or override both functionality and design. (Themes are plugins.) If you've done any significant under-the-hood customization with Drupal or Wordpress, Elgg will probably seem more accessible and somewhere in between for its learning curve.

Drupal: Strong and well supported but challenged with a rough UI and brick wall learning curve, you can really build anything (and do it right) with Drupal, given enough time. Since Drupal was originally built with a hybrid concept of content management and collaboration, it was conceptually ahead of the curve for web 2.0 and social publishing. It gives you a good framework with well-integrated extensions/modules that play well together, allowing you to build highly customized sites with the social features you want and solid content management, custom workflow and access roles and rules. It's just not an out-of-the box solution for people who wannt to build something fast but have not prior experience with Drupal and maybe nothing similar.

SEO strengths and weaknesses of all four are important, but I don't know much about them except that Drupal is great for SEO. Elgg was pretty bad as of the 1.2 release, and its internal search feature was worse than Drupal and Joomla's. (They're all sub-optimal in their own search features.)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:16 am 
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Hello Dan hello @all,

just wanted to share with you the latest news of the two very very promsing developments:

Anahita see : http://demo.anahitapolis.com/



and the Joomunity-follow-up: tuiyo see http://www.blog.tuiyo.co.uk/

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UPDATE: We are currently moving all the planning docs for Tuiyo from the local project manager software, to a new management portal for the team. Will give a snapshot update of the project road map once this exportation is complete. This will include milestones of features completed as well as uncompleted task, right up to Tuiyo 1.2. However the plan is to have a stable version of Tuiyo as soon as possible. This means once we have a release candidate, it will be followed immediately, by a maintenance release (Tuiyo1.1.1) and a feature freeze. But fixes will be released as iterations of Tuiyo 1.1.x. Subsequent features will only be added to Tuiyo 1.2


....just head over and read more: http://www.blog.tuiyo.co.uk

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I've looked at using Joomla core content as a Blog, and I don't understand why people recommend doing that. You have to set it all up yourself. Joomla articles runs very slow; I'm annoyed every time I must change or make something in the articles. Totally SLUGGISH. The whole thing about sections, categories and articles is VERY confusing. I've got the hang of it but I'm still not sure it makes a lot of sense. And user's can't make comments unless you add some kind of comments MOD. And it's not multi-user unless you (somehow) add more things that allow others to add articles to the Site.

In my opinion, Joomla Articles is for mechanics who like to mess around under the hood, but it's not for most real-world users who only want to know how to put the key in the ignition and GO.

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And it's not multi-user unless you (somehow) add more things that allow others to add articles to the Site.
What do you mean by that? Joomla can have as many users as you want, and they can be allowed to add things to the site.

You are correct Joomla is not a blog, and using it just to blog is probably the wrong tool for the job. Joomla, like Drupal (and others), is not really a "CMS" either. They are web application frameworks like Ruby on Rails or Django with basic functions usable for many purposes: publishing and multiple user accounts all tied into a workflow and access control system.

But unlike Rails or Django, Joomla and Drupal are built on PHP and with accessible, relatively intuitive user interfaces, and more out-of-the box functionality that allows people with very little or no programming and design knowledge to build attractive websites with advanced functional capabilities. If you think there is too much work needed under the hood on Joomla, try Drupal, or try building a custom theme in Wordpress that does what Joomla and Drupal do out of the box. Better yet, try installing a Rails application or Django--you probably wouldn't even know where to go about finding an adequate host for that.

It is true that Joomla <1.5 has lagged in the basic general-purpose framework functions. The access control system, the content manager, and other things leave a lot to be desired and have gone essentially unchanged for many years. Joomla 1.6 should finally bring all those functions up to an A level of minimum expectations. Comments will also be included in the core.

Keep in mind, this is free software with millions of users and a handful of developers who make it possible. Most Joomla development has been in third party extensions that build on Joomla but do not end up in additions to its core or people who also work on the core. That is how it goes.

As for your specific troubles getting Joomla to function as a blog, I would say this: Use a dedicated blogging engine instead if blogging is all you want to do. Wordpress is probably the most accessible.

If you are finding Joomla "slow" it probably has to do with your hosting. Frontend article creation and editing in Joomla works very well, and I actually prefer that aspect of it for blogging over WP. (Same with Drupal.) In WP there is no frontend edit--you keep bouncing between back and front. With Joomla, Drupal, and Wordpress all running on the same host I do see slower performance with Joomla but not in a terrible significant way. All of them would benefit from an AJAXified frontend editor, which I believe you can do with certain templates and extensions. Slowness can also be explained by having a lot of plugins and modules on a page you are trying to edit on the frontend, especially if they tax your server resources because they are inefficient code or just too big for your resource pool. Your hosting environment may simply be inadequate.

If you absolutely don't want to change your own oil, use Wordpress.com or another hosted service, or use Google sites. Self-hosted software is necessarily going to involve changing your own oil because no one else but you is responsible for it. No one else can get under the hood.

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I've looked at using Joomla core content as a Blog, and I don't understand why people recommend doing that. You have to set it all up yourself. Joomla articles runs very slow; I'm annoyed every time I must change or make something in the articles. Totally SLUGGISH. The whole thing about sections, categories and articles is VERY confusing. I've got the hang of it but I'm still not sure it makes a lot of sense. And user's can't make comments unless you add some kind of comments MOD. And it's not multi-user unless you (somehow) add more things that allow others to add articles to the Site.

In my opinion, Joomla Articles is for mechanics who like to mess around under the hood, but it's not for most real-world users who only want to know how to put the key in the ignition and GO.

I think it's ridiculous anybody suggests we should enjoy changing our own oil.

Most will agree. You ought to consider the following link. Very favorable option to replace the Joomla default content system and highly extensible. Includes multiple user capabilities with extensive permissions capabilities per user and user groups.

http://k2.joomlaworks.gr/

My hopes are that this system, which is almost equivelant to Wordpress in ease of publishing yet far more extensible, will integrate with the soon-to-be released Anahita Social Engine component.

http://www.anahitapolis.com

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What is Anahita's expected price? It looks like more than just a competitor for JomSocial.

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hmmm guess that anahita is open source

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What is Anahita's expected price? It looks like more than just a competitor for JomSocial.


but i am not sure! Anyone can set me straight!?

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Hello,

Here is the roadmap: http://www.anahitapolis.com/roadmap

Dates are subject to change. They are goals not promises.

The dates are subject to change, but if anybody wants earlier access they can always join as a partner. You can learn a great deal about Nooku Framework and Anahita MVC development, design philosophy, etc. via peer support. Or just wait until the public release.

Once we decide that codebase is ready for the public release, we are thinking of putting the Anahita Social Engine ™ available on the joomla extensions directory under the GPL license!

Anahita Extensions, Social Apps, Documentation, Design & Development Tutorials and other resources will be available through paid club membership plans. Anahita is a commercial open source project after all.

Yes everything will be GPL

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In reality there are much bigger and more interesting problems to solve in the domain of social web than competing with other projects. At the world that everybody is so fixated on facebook or twitter it is the open source community responsbility to explore further opportunities and innovations in the domain of social web that no one else has tried yet. Remember Social Web is a much much larger domain that social networking websites as we know them today. So let's just expand our horizon a little further!

/me goes back to coding :)

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Anahita is an exciting project. The roadmap shows hard work is taking place and progress is happening.


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You may want to go with WordPress, for a really professional blog. There's an integration for WordPress now. I don't know much about it.

I think the way Joomla handles articles is tedious and slow. Their whole articles / categories / sections setup annoys the heck out of me. I hate waiting for computers and there's a whole lot of waiting to do if you work with Joomla articles.

Apparently K2 solves a lot of those problems but I haven't investigated it much. I installed K2 and it seemed to work exactly like Joomla so apparently I missed the point.

I don't like to have to go through a learning curve just to do WRITING. I think you should be able to pop up your word processor and go at it. So far I think Joomla has over-complicated something that should be fast and easy. In fact, it should be the easiest thing of all.

And the online editors totally STINK. Just try to do any real formatting. You end up with garbage. I realize the editors are about as good as any other editors, but the fact is: none of the online editors have much power for formatting at all. It's amazing what a mess they make. I'm a professional desktop publisher/layout/graphics artist for over 25 years so this is not a noob talking. Somebody needs to create an online editor that has real muscle.

Bleah.

That's why I use IDOBLOG. It's fast and easy. I don't have to get into Joomla's awful articles area. I use it to communicate with visitors to my shop, for announcements. It does a neat job for that.

But if I wanted to become a famous blogger, I think I'd use WordPress.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:05 pm 
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Prilly is completely right about Joomla/com_content. AJAXified Wordpress is now the common man's standard, and J! doesn't measure up.

I have no experience with idoblog though.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:59 pm 
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dpk wrote:
Extensible profiles and permissions are fundamental requirements for a robust CMS and basic to any social media. Joomla's limitations in this area are serious, and they are NOT due to the fact that its core is a legacy of the pre-"web 2.0" era. It is due to to a lack of flexibility and awareness back in the days of Mambo that extensibility in key core components is critical.
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There needs to be a common framework in place, in the Joomla core, to handle variable user information fields and access privileges otherwise there are just too many incompatibilities, breaking points and dependencies created by adding extensions that do this work.
Mine is a small-sized project, but the underlined features in bold are crucial. Do you think Joomla 1.6 will be right for me, or should I stop wasting my time and look for an alternative open source CMS now?

P.S. It was extremely useful to read your posts. Thank you.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:38 pm 
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Personally, I think whenever you work with an Open Source project such as Joomla, where there are MANY third party add-ons, "incompatibilities, breaking points and dependencies created by adding extensions" are an inherent, inevitable hazard. It goes with the territory. Can't be helped.

If this is very important to you, then I don't think Joomla is what you're looking for. That's just my amateur opinion.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:50 pm 
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prilly wrote:
I don't think Joomla is what you're looking for.
I know it's stupid to ask it in a J. forum, but I wonder what is a good open source CMS for my intents and purposes?
My main requirements being manipulation of users (their registration, authentication, permissions, customization of fields in their profiles), basic elements of project management, and great SEF/SEO abilities.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:01 pm 
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I messed around with a lot of the CMS systems that I found on this website:

http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/sh ... %20Portals

And I really do think Joomla is the best and most professional of all the CMS systems I looked at. I avoided Joomla because they said the learning curve is hard. I kinda think they were right, but I also think it's worth it. The only other system I might take seriously is Drupal. Maybe there's some others that are really good but it seems that Joomla and Drupal always lead the pack.

Maybe you should look at what Anahita is doing. That's a small development team that's trying to do an integrated all in one social solution for Joomla.

There's Jomsocial too but anything you customize on Jomsocial is difficult to maintain. I had pages of notes on what I had done, so I could do it again... and I had to redo it with every update. And my customizing was very minor.


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