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wolfgangk

Post subject: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:33 pm

Joomla! Fledgling

Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:29 pm
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Hi together,

well joom!fish is a great module no doubt but I really would even love it more if the front useres can directly edit content.

Here is my situation
I am running Joomla 1.0.11 with Joomfish 1.7

Installation
Everything went along fine, German and English language files are installed.

In the backend I have changed the titles of the menus and everything seems to go well.
Setting is: Users above Publishers can do frontend editing

Now my problem:
When a user (Publis her and above) logs in and changes the content of the text in the frontend the changes are only directly applied to the German text. In contrast the changes are not directly applied to the English text when changed via the frontend.
When I though type content inthe frontend in English and save it and log into the backend I see the small “light bulb” sign. Once I click on publish there the changed English text from the frontend is published.

My question: How do I setup joomfish so that I can edit and publish text directly in the frontend without the need to go into the backend again and click publish ?

Best regards,

Wolfgang

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:39 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Location: Munich, Germany

You need to activate this option in the configuration and the user who is translating needs to be at least a publisher. Then it should work without an additional publishing of the translation.

Alex

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wolfgangk

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:55 pm

Joomla! Fledgling

Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:29 pm
Posts: 2

Hi,

thank you for the fast reply. Hmm, I have made these setting l I can edit the text as an admin or publisher in the frontend yet it is not set to "publish" as for the english texts. As for the to German translated texts this works. any ideas :-) ?

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gortzen

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:11 pm

Joomla! Apprentice

Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:02 pm
Posts: 8

Hi,

Got the same prob with nearly same config (mine is dutch and french).

It's like translation is done, but autopublish is off. So I have to go backend to publish the translations...

Did you fix it?

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:59 am

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Location: Munich, Germany

Have you checked that the users is a publisher or above?

It works for me quite well that's why I'm a bit surprised here. Also make sure you are fitting to your global config settings related to the site default language. Of course you are not creating a new translation if you try to edit the original content (within the site default language)

Alex

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gortzen

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:40 pm

Joomla! Apprentice

Joined: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:02 pm
Posts: 8

hello,

a night testing for a stupid answer...

I use component mycontent, to avoid backend access to my client.
As every page is for registered access, I didn't notice that joomfish cannot traduce in frontend artcles that are not published...

Thanx for your reply and for the good job.

Pierre

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:19 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Location: Munich, Germany

Hi Pierre,

this is strange - basically I would not have expected that we make a difference between published and unpublished content items.

The only think that might be valid as well - a normal editor can not publish his translations. This might be something we need to enhance specially with the combination of MyContent.

If it is really the case that the Fish doesn't translate unpublished content items - you found a bug ;-)

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:10 am

Joomla! Enthusiast

Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
Posts: 145

I believe the problem here is that people are configuring JoomFish to use Original Content if there is no translation. So even if you view the page in the target language, and click edit, you are still editing the original content (because a translation does not exist of course)

Therefore, make sure that JoomFish is configured to show "Default Text" instead of "Original Content" if you are planning to translate from the frontend... otherwise you might find you are accidentally wiping your original content.

Its also a good way to know when your translations are finished or not, as it is more easily seen by users of the site when they see the default text.

//rey

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:39 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
Posts: 1636
Location: Munich, Germany

Question.

I'm currently thinking about a frontend view of the Fish. What I have in mind is:

A component view you can link e.g. to a "registered" or "special" menu. I will check if the user is "publisher" or not. Based on that he should have some possibilities for the frontend.

However I can't implement the whole translation handling in the frontend as well - but e.g. for content items it could be done with a kind of little listing. There we could add an option of "show non translated items" and you see this list.

Would this be helpful? And what would be required for all of you to work most easy?

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:47 pm

Joomla! Enthusiast

Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
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Hey Alex. A frontend view would be a very good idea. For 2 very big reasons.

1. This misunderstanding about original and translated content (people keep wiping over their original content if they have the wrong settings, or not understanding why their translations are not being displayed)

2. You can only translate articles that you are owner of (as far as I know?), so if you want to translate others content, you need to login and translate it with the Fish admin component, or assign it to the person you want to do the translation for.

This is a very big limitation in my opinion.

Let me know your thoughts

cheers

//rey

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:00 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Location: Munich, Germany

The owner part is not 100% right. You can only translate / publish translations if you are at least publisher.

If you are editor you should be able to translate content of others as well - how ever you would not be able to publish the translation. A publisher would need to publish your translation in the frontend or a manager would need to go to the backend and translate it.

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:04 pm

Joomla! Enthusiast

Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
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Ok. But to able to translate the items, you have to be able to see them to edit them right? Of course if they are already published, this isnt a problem. Just click the right flag, and click the edit icon on the article

For unpublished items, I use MyContent component to see these invisible articles in the Frontend, but if I am not owner of them, I cant see them unless I log in to the backend. Do you see what I mean?

Maybe I need a better frontend component for seeing the articles or?

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:10 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
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Location: Munich, Germany

If you are a publisher or above you will see all content items, even the once you are not owner of.

No reason to use my_content for this.

However - as I said, it should not matter if you edit your translations thru my_content or the standard content component. I haven't checked my_content at this point but if they are doing the same things as the standard component then the translation handling is transparrent to them.

This is the beauty of the fish - it is transparrent to all extensions, they are not aware of it, but always use it

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:14 pm

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Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
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Ok. but how about Categories / Sections / Menus etc?... you cant do those translations from the frontend or?

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:25 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
Posts: 1636
Location: Munich, Germany

Nope and this is something I don't want to implement for the frontend.

It would basically result in transferring the whole translation functionallity to the frontend and for what for? If you need someone who translate why not give him manager rights - specially if you trust him already so much that he can translate such important things as a category.

There is a little tweak for the ACL which will allow the manager to access the Joom!Fish translation - check out the Wiki for this (http://forge.joomla.org/sf/wiki/do/view ... TipsTricks).

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:56 pm

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Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
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Thats a good point Alex.

So what will the JoomFish frontend component enable you to do then? or at least what are the ideas atm?

//rey

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:00 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
Posts: 1636
Location: Munich, Germany

The ideas is to have something like a content item overview.

I think about a list of content items (section/categories filtered as usual) and with information about things like

- which languages have valid translations?
- links to the translations and original content

Information about new/changed content items - something of this sort

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:09 pm

Joomla! Enthusiast

Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
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this sounds very good... certainly useful to have...!

btw... do you have a link to something more comprehensive than the one you sent me? about giving frontend managers access to JoomFish?... I tried the changes to the ACL, but nothing seems to have changed. I added a User Menu Link to the JoomFish component, but nothing happens... just a blank screen

//Rey

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akede

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:12 pm

Joomla! Ace

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:15 am
Posts: 1636
Location: Munich, Germany

It is not frontend managers - it is backend managers.

In general a manager (backend) does not have any access to the components. With this addition he can access the Joom!Fish compoent.

Alex

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reyortsed

Post subject: Re: Frontend Editing works in German but not in English

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:15 pm

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Joined: Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 pm
Posts: 145

Sorry... My brain is screwed up today. Of course the manager should be logged into the backend.....

grrrrr

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