Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

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Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by Jick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:32 am

What is the rider people keep mentioning?

For approximately 11 months there was a rider attached to the pre-release code for Joomla! 1.5. This “rider” would—if it were implemented-- have permitted propriety extensions for Joomla! 1.5. However, this rider was not approved by the Core Team and, perhaps more importantly, the individual copyright holders—the people who contributed the code that makes up Joomla! and the Mambo release that Joomla! is a fork of—were not asked for permission and were not notified of the change. This failure is contrary to the terms of the GNU GPL license.
Could you please stop making one person looking responsible for adding the rider, this is not the first time.
At the time the rider was added every core member knew about it and none objected against it, there hasn't been an official vote or a formal process but none of the people on the core said "hey we can't do that" and none has done that for the 11 months the rider was in svn.
Also the SFLC was the one who crafted the rider in the first place and didn't say, we can't do that, sorry.
With this I state that the whole core team was responsible for the maybe mistake for adding the rider and thats the way it should be explained and communicated.

This is the same thing as blaming Johan in person for not delivering Joomla! 1.5 yet because he is the lead developer and promised to get the job done fast while the whole core team is working on it.

Please change the wording and stop shoving it onto one mans plate.

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Re: Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

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Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by mcsmom » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:43 am

One person was not responsible, at either end. However, only one person can be in the svn logs, which is what is reproduced here.
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Re: Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by Jick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:59 am

There is no need to attach this to one person in svn which is how it is communicated right now and I really feel that is totally unnecessary.

edit: actually it is attached to two persons and for both there is no need to be named.

Please just call it a team/Joomla! effort like anything else, the actual svn commit doesn't add anything to this whole discussion.

It happened, and everyone knew, call it a mistake from Joomla! and move on without name calling who actually did the svn commit, not productive at all.

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Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by mcsmom » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:07 pm

I don't think it was name calling at all, but I took the names out because I think you are right that this is not about individuals.

Not being on the core team then or now, I have no idea how the details of the discussions that took place.
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Re: Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by Jick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:24 pm

Thanks mcsmom that looks better already.
There is just no need for names regarding this.

If you don't know how the process happened back than you are maybe not the right person to make statements about that situation.
Saying that it wasn't approved by the core team only makes the situation less understandable and less clear.

Like I said before:
At the time the rider was added every core member knew about it and none objected against it, there hasn't been an official vote or a formal process but none of the people on the core said "hey we can't do that"
Thats what happened and there is nothing to be ashamed of or deny any of this. It all happened while Joomla was still very young and man did we have a lot to do and arrange. We did the best we could at that time but sometimes something may have been better done differently looking back and sometimes not.

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Re: Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by Jinx » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:02 am

Jick wrote: At the time the rider was added every core member knew about it and none objected against it, there hasn't been an official vote or a formal process but none of the people on the core said "hey we can't do that" and none has done that for the 11 months the rider was in svn.
Thanks for clarifying there was no official vote or formal process.

As for your statement that everybody in core was aware of the rider I want to refer you to Sam his post
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Re: Re: Some Common Questions from Developers

Post by Jick » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:35 am

Well Sam can sate his vision, no problem with that, he had commit access and I would assume that when you are actively involved in the core you would have seen a change in the license file and you should have jumped right after that commit. It was also communicated, but may have been showed under because of all the other stuff happening too at that time.

I state that everyone knew or should have known when you payed attention and none raised any questions or remarks.

Like I said, it doesn't matter as long as it is communicated like a core thing and not like a one man action, thats all.

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