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why people leave Joomla ?

Post by mbd » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:54 pm

why people leave joomla , is it cuz server load , joomla takes much of server load ??

or other reasons ?


is it joomla takes much of server load ?

or maybe bandwidth i mean .. !

we have to know so we could fix it .. and so it's important for me to know .. really
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by compass » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:36 pm

I didnt know they were leaving Joomla. Everything I see tells me people are picking it up all the time.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:44 pm

Sure people are coming all the time.

Mdb was wondering why people might be leaving. Different.

Does seem to be heavy on the server.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by nolanpro » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:45 pm

I agree, Joomla does put a big load on server processing. It seems like something that could be fixed with the Cache but it doesn't help much. I would reccomend a revamped caching system for future versions.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by brad » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:48 pm

All mysql/dynamic sites put a load on a server, however Joomla performs exceptionally well. Have you seen how well http://www.joomla.org and our other sites work?

With a correct hosting setup Joomla is fine on server resources.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:15 pm

Good point.
Free hosting + Joomla! = Bad

I think part of the problem is some people are attracted to Joomla! for price reasons and they might also find free hosting appealing.

In the case of Joomla! you get way more than what you pay for. As for free hosting. . . 

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by flokky » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:47 pm

Does anyone of you know who muchs queries are executed when the homepage of a Joomla based site is requested? Depending the site this can vary between 18 - 110 queries!

Sorry, but THAT is a lot of server load for a simple PHP site. Of course, when deploying it on a dedicated server, you can expect better results.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by Tonie » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:10 pm

Rey had been working hard on reducing the number of queries in the last few versions of Joomla, here, you can find the number of queries for a default joomla with start page.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by nathandiehl » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:19 pm

Tonie,
thanks for posting that. I hadn't seen it before.

1.0.9 is 62% fewer queries than 1.0.0

that is impressive.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by flokky » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:30 pm

Those figures are indeed impressive.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:16 pm

nathandiehl wrote: Tonie,
thanks for posting that. I hadn't seen it before.

1.0.9 is 62% fewer queries than 1.0.0

that is impressive.
If that trend contiues I can dump my dedicated IP and go back to free hosting. (not)

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by fuziononline » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:42 pm

brad wrote: All mysql/dynamic sites put a load on a server, however Joomla performs exceptionally well. Have you seen how well http://www.joomla.org and our other sites work?

With a correct hosting setup Joomla is fine on server resources.

So what is "correct hosting setup" i'm hosting with godaddy and it seems real slow.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:54 pm

Ideally a dedicated server if you can afford it.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by mbd » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:20 pm

godaddy is good for domains only not hosting i guess
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by technopuzzle » Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:27 pm

I thought I'd put in my 2-cents on the hosting issue.

You may want to take a look at http://1and1.com for hosting as an alternative to GoDaddy. 1And1 offers cheap, reliable, fast hosting (both shared and dedicated) and I've never had any major problems (and only a couple of minor ones) with them in the past couple of years that I've been with them.

I run multiple Joomla sites with them and so far I've not seen any server load issues (or other issues for that matter).

If you do decide to use (or test out) 1And1 I ask (but not required) that you use my affiliate referrral Mod note: affiliate link removed, against the rules

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:34 am

I wondered when this thread would start getting censored.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by brad » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:54 am

ddp wrote: I wondered when this thread would start getting censored.
Where is it being censored? If you have a problem with the moderators Mike, please feel free to contact Tonie, any of the global mods, or myself. I just can't see how your comment adds any value to this particular discussion.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by AmyStephen » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:32 am

Frankly, I don't understand the entire thread!  :P

@mbd - Why do you think people are leaving Joomla!? That is what I do not understand. You always seem to have very positive comments to make on the boards 8) - so, I am certain you have a reason for asking this. But, I am not personally seeing people leave. I am seeing them come!  :)

@ddp - there are forum rules that the moderators have to help enforce. You can find the rules listed under the "rules" button on the top of the screen. The specific rule that was addressed by the removal of the little piece of information was: "Any posts deemed to be self promotion, advertising, or spam can and will be removed. " It was not a big deal -- we all make mistakes about the rules from time to time -- but, comments like the one you made are unfortunately not very kind. Please, just let it go next time, okay? It keeps things more peaceful as the moderators have to do a job that is not too much fun! Thanks!  :)

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:57 am

Hi guys,

I meant no offence about my "censored" comment. Sarcasms is hard to inffer in a post. I was just noticing that the discussion had digressed to "this server being better than that server" which gets into the realm of commercial posting.

I had no problem with the comment being deleted (about and affiliate link). It makes sense to me. You need to be able so censor some things and have stated the rules clearly in the forum rules which I try to obey. However this is still censorship. But I don't see any other way to go for the moderators.

I am sorry and did not wish to change the topic of this thread to censorship. Not a big issue here in Joomla!

I think Joomla! is great!! I personally do not know why people would leave it.

I also think that the moderators do a really great job

Sorry I'll try and watch my jokes in the future. Sometimes offence is unintended.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by AmyStephen » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:58 am

I have the same problem, dude! Good apology - great job! Keep up the good attitude. Thanks!
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by alikon » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:09 pm

Free hosting + Joomla! = Bad
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Free hosting + Joomla! = Good (all free and save your money ) :laugh:
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by ddp » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:11 pm

alikon wrote: Free hosting + Joomla! = Good (all free and save your money ) :laugh:
Hey it's all a matter of perspective. You are right what have you got to lose.

However with increased traffic a more robust server solution is probably better.

Unless you know of a free host that gives massive bandwidth?  If so PM me don't post it here  or everyone will use it!! LOL ;D
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by brian » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:46 pm

There are free webhosts that offer unlimited bandwidth and there are free webhosts that know how to succesfully configure servers.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by Steve F J » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:48 pm

Why are people leaving Joomla!
I really don't think there is any one answer to that.

1...It could well be that the CMS is above and beyond some peoples needs.

2...It has to be said that the Admin sections are terribly confusing at first - there is just so much, and it needs time to get the head round that. Some people might just not have the time, and may just get a  little dispondant when they begin to realise that they can't have their dream web site right now - today. To get that site, they must be prepared to learn. There are quite a few sites out there that are more or leass as out of the box.

3...And this one I think is a biggy. Sorry! The forums show lot of people place quetions relating to problems that are real issues that they can't resolve - and get no answer. So with that, they go elsewhere. The only solution to that is to ensure every single topic started is replied to. Customer care.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by AmyStephen » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:17 pm

Good feedback, Steve, thanks for sharing. We appreciate hearing honest reflection offered in such a kind manner.

Since you have 30 posts, and we are talking about these issues, I want to make certain has questions that you know where to get "the good stuff" here on the forums.

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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by Steve F J » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:47 pm

much thanks Amy. :)

I love your guarantee - a remarkable bargain at even half the price.

Come to think of it though. There is a guide book which can be got off the Net Don't know if there is one for Joomla!. I think what would really help is if just such a book could be got from such places as Waterstones. I tried to get the Mambo book, but neither they nor Borders could find any reference to it. I think it would help a lot if a book could be got quite easily, and be able to be read wherever.
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by AmyStephen » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:52 pm

Steve F J wrote: I love your guarantee - a remarkable bargain at even half the price.
I try!

I purchased the "Building Websites with Joomla!" book by Hagen Graf - ISBN 1-904811-94-9

He "converted" his Mambo book to Joomla! It's an okay book -- for certain it will get you started and it rolls through all of the core features; plus, starts into some standard extensions. I believe that Hagen even donates a small portion to the Joomla! project for each copy sold. So, if you are like me and building bookshelves is not an issue, I recommend.

Otherwise, the Newbie material really does get you going.

If you get stuck, Steve, and can't get your post answered, feel free to PM me -- I'll try to find someone smart to help you!
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by Asphyx » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:25 pm

First off no one is leaving Joomla...Where this notion came from I just don't know...
Free hosting + Joomla! = Bad
Free Hosting  Plus or Minus anything is bad... may be good to the person who wants to run a website but thats where the advantages end.

Disadvantages are:
1 - Server is usually very overloaded because to keep the cost down virtually 100's maybe 1000's of websites are being served from it!
2 - Something is always subsidizing the service be it Java Float Ads, Data Mining and cookie tracing.
3 - there is never a reliable support system
4 - they can delete your site anytme they want
5 - rarely will you find one with both PHP and SQL Support!

My server runs on a dual proc 450 Mhz Pentium II machine under Linux OS (Suse 9.3)
I bought it for $50 at a yard sale, I hooked it up to my DSL line and use Dynamic IP service to use the domain...
For half the price of one of those cheap hosting accounts I get a dedicated server totally under my control and get a lot more than just web hosting! I also have an IRC server, Email, streaming media server, I can even run Flash communication server aside from the usual PHP and MySQL...

Joomla flies on that old machine!
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by Steve F J » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:32 pm

AmyStephen wrote: If you get stuck, Steve, and can't get your post answered, feel free to PM me -- I'll try to find someone smart to help you!
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Re: why people leave Joomla ?

Post by AmyStephen » Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:34 pm

Asphyx wrote: First off no one is leaving Joomla...Where this notion came from I just don't know...
Hey! You got it here, first! NO-ONE is leaving. And, he is from NYC, so, I think ya'll better stay put.

No problem, Steve, I'm just going make Asphyx help you, anyway  ;)


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