Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by TomT » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:44 pm

I don't think they have developers right now, it was an embarrasing question to them ;-). Or rather him: $ambo is now peter lamont.

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by hazman » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:58 pm

Oh boy, no developers?

Why would they risk loosing the Dev Team?

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by tjay » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:02 pm

vavroom wrote: FWIW, tjay's moderator status reappeared after it disappeared...  weird.
Actually what they did to calm people was give me the moderator icon. But I have no moderator access, they just wanted to see if they could fool people.
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:05 pm

i wonder how p. lamont walks in public nowadays.. and what face can he show to the OPEN SOURCE community of the world.

perhaps byle gaytes, will be interested getting him as a "downfall consultant".. what do you think?
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Post by hazman » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:06 pm

tjay wrote:
vavroom wrote: FWIW, tjay's moderator status reappeared after it disappeared...  weird.
Actually what they did to calm people was give me the moderator icon. But I have no moderator access, they just wanted to see if they could fool people.
Mambo server and the old forums are dead to me. I am here and hope the project survives under the current team and community.
Why would they do that?

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:07 pm

for the info benifit of @hazman,..

pls chekc this thread:

http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... ,72.0.html

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@tjay, sad to hear that.. but fortunate to know its only the KIDs they can fool.

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:09 pm

@hazman, my friend! have you read the whole thread in the "other" forum? yeah its a long one.. took me more than an hour to read along too.. but reading it from post one and the absorbing what  the community is talking about.. you will surely get the drift.

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Post by hazman » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:13 pm

I don't have time to read all that. But thanks for the words.

I would just like some details although I have the feeling I'm not gonna get.

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Post by yerg » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:22 pm

Remember it's being selectively pruned .. subscribe to it by email cos lots are getting trashed
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:26 pm

@hazman,

okay.. simple to the simpliest number of words i can put it:

the mambo that you grew to love is being taken over by the old abandoning owner. that follows that: what you used to love bec of the community and its for FREE.. will now be a corporate identity hidden in a foundation mask. it also follows that taking the FREE priviledge makes you think twice,.. whats the reason of calling it OPEN SOURCE anyway.

yes, one of the many bottomlines it will come into,.. a paid OPEN SOURCE wouldnt sound as logical.

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by tjay » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:27 pm

hazman wrote:
tjay wrote:
vavroom wrote: FWIW, tjay's moderator status reappeared after it disappeared...  weird.
Actually what they did to calm people was give me the moderator icon. But I have no moderator access, they just wanted to see if they could fool people.
Mambo server and the old forums are dead to me. I am here and hope the project survives under the current team and community.
Why would they do that?
Not to hard to figure out why.
I posted support for the leaving core team
poof no more moderator ( we are talking in the time it took to refresh the screen)
I posted in another thread that moderator status had been removed how sad
poof abitar is back but no access
So ask why would you want it to appear someone is a moderator when in fact you have quietly removed the status

I asked to be removed from the user data base, I have no time for that and would rather monitor here and help when I can.
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by kenmcd » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:28 pm

hazman wrote: I don't have time to read all that. But thanks for the words.

I would just like some details although I have the feeling I'm not gonna get.
This is a good overview.
http://www.netshinesoftware.com/the-death-of-mambo.html
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:36 pm

@hazman,.. what ken provided has a better overview. ehhehe
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by absalom » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:37 am

Miro has bled out the community as it stands and is looking for the "new" core, dev, 3PD, etc.. teams.

If only they publically acknowledged this. A honour roll is a fool's errand to save face, especially since there is other code in Mambo that isn't primarily the work of the core devs (dynamic page titling and proper RSS feeds for instance).
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by bohn002 » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:56 am

im trying to get banned. just kidding. just posting the different articles and updates on the mamboserver board. someone has to stay behind to let them know where to go.
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by cuberille » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:48 am

Just a thought...

Perhaps it would be good if everyone that still has an account there starts placing this site in their sig

edit- also the Home Page URL in 'profile' and the avatar to something like below
eg. http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=48368

I know with my measly 7 posts there, it's not much, but it's the thought that counts
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by kenmcd » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:27 am

Current Groups List - includes Moderators, Developers, Administrators, etc.
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showgroups.php?
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:16 am

was waiting for the other forum to ban me.. that word BANNED under my name would look nice.. hmmnnn.. been pulling their leg.. still they havent done anything. oh well. what a 370 posts anyway.
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by TomT » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:29 am

They haven't many moderators left  ;), so maybe he took some sleep?

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by guilliam » Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:22 am

hmmnn.. thats a quick thought.. with all this.. and i am PL.. i'll spend nights on the floor,.. the bed would not be of help sleeping. hahaha
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by d3vlabs » Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:31 am

murdering of one of the finest research resources

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by Ektoras » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:07 am

All that censorship activity over on the mamboserver forums leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

While the airbrushes are being put to work, does anyone here know if there is a way to download and save all your own VBulletin forum posts before some mysterious flapping winged creature swoops down from the sky to sink its talons into the posts and shreds them into tiny pieces? There is a lot of useful information in there.

Is there some kind of download option much like the one for your private message folders?
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by audienceone » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:26 am

All of the official mambo websites are owned by Miro, including the official help, news, and forum sites.  Several core developers have been banned from the forums despite not having broken any forum rules (in fact, the individual who wrote the forum rules, Brad Baker has been banned!).  Any posts on the official forums that express support for the new core development branch are quickly deleted.
- http://www.netshinesoftware.com/the-death-of-mambo.html

If it's truly their copyright then we can't do anything about those very valuable information. I hope not. We can still do something about it, maybe you can.
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by kenmcd » Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:10 am

Oh this is fun . . . I had to share.

This was posted over in the Foundation discussion thread by Gil Rutkowski - the FORMER head of 3PD standards and guidelines.
. . . and apparently immediately deleted by the "evil doers".
I got the post via email.

From the Web Wayback Machine
http://web.archive.org/web/200304240517 ... cle&sid=69

23 Apr 2003
Miro, Mambo and open source

We put Mambo on Source Forge in order for people to help get the code 'straightened out' so that it could be re-released commercially. Anyone who helped out by contributing code could also do the same, providing they acknowledged where it came from. Meanwhile, we continued to work on the 3.0.5 release, providing bug fixes and patches.

Mambo 2002 was released commercially early in 2002 after 5 months of re-development. It featured several functional differences, a vast number of optimisations & bug fixes, a nice html-based installer, and a manual. Many people still ask what the differences are - why should they pay for something that's probably not that different from the open source one? In lieu of contributing something back to the code, you can pay us for the thousands of programmer-hours that have gone into Mambo. After all, we had to pay their salaries :)

It's a curious thing, open source. Commercial software companies don't understand it. They think open source developers are mad, putting in 12 to 16 hours a day creating a brilliant piece of code and then giving it away for free. They are very happy, though, to contribute not a thing - while taking the code, adding a few touches to it and releasing it as their own commercial product. It happens all the time. Disappointingly, many individuals also think the same way.

So why does Miro do it? We offer the open source code at no charge, the community adds to it, we ALL take it away and use it for our own purposes. It's an evolutionary thing that grows to benefit all. That's the theory anyhow.

Miro developed Mambo and, as such, will continue to release customised, enhanced commercial versions of the code. Everyone else has the right, provided they adhere to the required acknowledgements, to charge for any value-adding they might do on top of Mambo; however, no one other than Miro has the right to sell the Mambo code.

Miro will NOT inhibit the development of the open source product in order to make our commercial version seem superior. In contrast, we build improvements and ADDITIONAL functionality to the commercial version of the code, suitably justifying whatever price we decide to charge. We will donate code from the commercial versions from time to time; and we will allocate developer hours to assist the open source community in building a better, more robust product. We will also continue to donate hardware, network, systems administration and technical support to the MOS project
More there in the full article.

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by ssmayer » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:29 pm

Very interesting. ::)
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by TomT » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:19 pm

I was just looking at the foundation's website and had a look at the membership pfd. If you want to be involved as a developer, you have to pay $50.000 annually?! They are raving mad.

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Post by ssmayer » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:50 pm

$50,000??? Geesh Louise! Well, it's obvious what the motivation was here, eh?
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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by TheSaint » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:57 pm

Still haven't been banned after putting an OSM link in my sig. Flying in under the radar at the moment, they are soon going to have a ghost town if they continue at the current pace.

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Re: Is Miro deleting moderators from Mambo Forum?

Post by bohn002 » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:31 pm

is mambers.com a member of the rebellion or empire?
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Post by molok » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:39 pm

TheSaint wrote: Still haven't been banned after putting an OSM link in my sig. Flying in under the radar at the moment, they are soon going to have a ghost town if they continue at the current pace.

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