Jim Begley

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Jim Begley

Post by absalom » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:00 am

Anyone else notice that Jim now has the Mambo Foundation website as his site ? Productized has disappeared off the radar..

More and more it looks like a hostile takeover, either by devaluing the brand of Mambo, oir so someone within the Board of Regents can make a quick buck out of it.
I can appreciate your wanting to hear from the core dev team. However, there actions should not be your guide in having confidance in the foundation or not. You need to consider how the project 1) fits your needs, 2) is something you want to be active in 3) is structured in a way that rewards and supports you for your contributions. I don't pretend that you will have all of the information to make those decisions yet, I just think they should be made on a personal basis.
These were Jim's words to me before OSM went live and I went to a meet and greet with Peter Lamont. More and more, it just looks like marketroiding madness from suits and the adminisphere.
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by TheSaint » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:42 am

What is really ironic is that their actions make zero, (0, nada, zip) business sense. Without a shadow of doubt, this has to be one of the biggest PR blunders ever. It is interesting watching this all transpire, the inept behavior of these people is simply amazing.

Anyways, I don't see a reunion or reconciliation between the Miro and OSM factions. Those of us that support the core devs should stop giving Miro so much attention. I've been guilty as much as the next person, but I really think it is time to put the Miro days behind us.

[me=TheSaint]Looks into the OSM future and sees bright things:[/me]

* All the core devs on board
* Ever growing forum population
* Increasing 3PD support
* Media recognition
* Less regulatory red tape due to greater independence

This is truly a blessing!
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by benwk » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:02 pm

Does anyone know anything about Jim Begley? He seems to be the catalyst behind Mir*'s OSS faux pas.

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Re: Jim Begley

Post by absalom » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:58 pm

[quote="http://tc106.metawerx.com.au/Rustreport ... jsp?id=193"]Thanks to the success of applications like Apache, PHP, and others, the open source world is maturing, noted Jim Begley of Productized, who is a board member of the foundation. “Organisations are increasing their use of open source applications in critical lines of business, and as a result are expecting more from project teams. The Mambo Foundation is a direct reaction to those higher user expectations.[/quote]

He's now the spokesperson for the MF as Robert has resigned.

[quote="http://webdev.graphon.com/news/frontrangelegacy.html"]
FrontRange's Begley offers some advice for companies with legacy applications that are candidates for a new life on the Web.

    * Listen to customers' needs, not technology requests.
    * Question everything you did before.
    * Choose the right tool for the right job. Don't pick a technology because it is a cool technology if it doesn't solve your problem.
    * Pick your partner right.

Follow those instructions and it may be possible to reclaim your legacy applications as treasures, breathe new life into them, deliver them to new markets quickly and easily, and enhance your revenue stream.
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He is also the Secretary of MF, so it is his duty, under Victorian FOI, to respond to all member requests.
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by xperis » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:54 pm

absalom wrote:

He's now the spokesperson for the MF as Robert has resigned.
Its a shame some mistreated Robert and made his life so miserable he chose to leave completely.  A real shame
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by absalom » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:00 am

xperis wrote: Its a shame some mistreated Robert and made his life so miserable he chose to leave completely.  A real shame
That is, if you chose to believe the MF spin they put on his departure.

Robert always had a lot of goodwill amongst the Open Source community, and as he said himself, he was looking at losing that with the situation surrounding MF. It was the only logical choice..
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by xperis » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:12 am

Reputations can be ruined in many ways including unfounded accusations and personal attacks. 

http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=56587

People should read this thread and ask.. are there people and tactics both communities would be better served by asking them to leave.

It is long and takes work to read, but people can see where the ulgy attitudes are and maybe why Robert gave up on a his dream the second time.
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by absalom » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:18 am

So let's get this right..

You don't even believe Robert's own words on the matter, published on this forum, and instead choose to believe that it was "unfounded accusations and personal attacks" that caused Robert to leave - this is in essense the spin the Foundation put on his resignation, and has since been publically contradicted by Robert himself.

If you don't believe what Robert says himself, you have no grounds, evidence or substantial proof to back up your claims..
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by xperis » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:01 am

Absalom,

If Robert left because he had some sudden great insight about the foundation, he would have said.. because they wouldn't have continued to make his life miserable, after all they are only evil businessmen, not pathetic bullies like some on that thread

Yes he left to protect his reputation, spin it all you want, I think reading that thread will make it clear to anyone why he gave up.

Some people on that thread were just spiteful to Robert.  IF you read all his words he was trying to get people to give the fundation a chance, then gave up.

Odd that the "Evil" organization that pays for the board hasn't censored some of resonable critcisms or even the wild over blown assertions.


This is all making me sick, cause I love the software.. I am going away until there is more information from both sides.
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by absalom » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:40 am

xperis wrote: Yes he left to protect his reputation, spin it all you want, I think reading that thread will make it clear to anyone why he gave up.
Don't need to. Robert's words verbatim that he left to protect his reputation amongst the open source community pretty much say it all
xperis wrote: Some people on that thread were just spiteful to Robert.  IF you read all his words he was trying to get people to give the fundation a chance, then gave up.
Some people were spiteful. I've given the foundation a chance, and they haven't responded thus far  ;D
xperis wrote: Odd that the "Evil" organization that pays for the board hasn't censored some of resonable critcisms or even the wild over blown assertions.
They haven't censored them, but likewise they haven't responded to them
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Re: Jim Begley

Post by xperis » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:04 pm

Robert Castley: I resigned from the Mambo Foundation for two reasons and two reasons alone. Number one was to protect what is left of my reputation and integrity in the open source community, this was coming under fire and there was no way I was prepared to see this destroyed further. 
His words are very clear... he talks about the attacks, not any wrong done him by the foundation. He isn't talking about new information since he was just asking people to give it a chance, he wasn't talking about "seeing the light" The operative words here are "attack" and "destroyed" these are actions done by others to his reputation and from what I can read based on guesses and conjecture.

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