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Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:26 am
by athron
I am a newcomer who began to use Mambo from this year.

Since I do not know the past background, about many people's comment to this matter, what is true ,guess and falsehood.

I am reading many threads relevant to this matter of forum.mamboserver.com and forum.opensourcematters.com now.
However, much time is required.

Please teach me someone. And please let me consider many things.

1. Why Did Miro Set Mambo to Open Source and GNU/GPL?
Now, what is the difference between Jango and Mambo?

2. Who Made Community of Mambo?
 Who determined team organization?
 How did it change and become like now?
Who is performing management of mamboforge and mamboserver?

3. What is the Subject for Discussion Discussed by MSC ?

4. I do not know why Peter Lemont says that Robert Castley is No. 1.
 What did he bring Mambo?
 Was it  differ from other Dev.team members ?

5. Please let me know knowing about the past Mambo.


regards,

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:42 pm
by keliix06
I can answer some of the questions:

1) He posted a GPL version of Mambo on sourceforge hoping someone would pick it up and make it better so that he could cash in on it.  Jango is the new name of the commercial version of Mambo. The change was made earlier this year (I think) to differentiate between them.

2) Robet Castley is the one who found the code on sourceforge and got the ball rolling, everyone has been involved in making the community.

4) He was the first development team leader.

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:52 pm
by de
Just thought I may through in a more unbiased explaination of 1 (at least a try):

1) From the day it was made open there were two versions...
Mambo CMS and Mambo OS, the later is the one made open source.
Then not very long ago Mambo CMS was renamed to Jango, while Mambo OS was renamed to Mambo.
According to Miro Jango does not contain any source added to Mambo after it was made open source.
(At least I somehow remember Peter telling this once)

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:15 pm
by Elpie
athron wrote: I am a newcomer who began to use Mambo from this year.

Since I do not know the past background, about many people's comment to this matter, what is true ,guess and falsehood.

I am reading many threads relevant to this matter of forum.mamboserver.com and forum.opensourcematters.com now.
However, much time is required.
Yes, it does take much time.  To really understand what has happened to cause the split between the developers, the community, and the new Mambo Foundation you do really need to take the time to read all those posts.  Many of the posts have links to more information.
Please teach me someone. And please let me consider many things.

1. Why Did Miro Set Mambo to Open Source and GNU/GPL?
Miro was struggling to develop the code.  They were a very small company which had only been formed for one year when they made the code open source.  They said that they would keep it open source until they were ready to release it as a commercial product.  As time went on, I think many people forgot that Miro had said that.
Now, what is the difference between Jango and Mambo?
Mambo is open source but the copyright is owned by Miro.  Mambo is free to use and free to modify.
Jango started with the same original code.  Four years later, Miro say that Jango is completely different to Mambo.  Miro sell Jango commercially.
2. Who Made Community of Mambo?
 Who determined team organization?
The people who decided to get involved with Mambo.  Every person who volunteered to do something to improve Mambo is part of the community. So is every person who got involved through making suggestions, asking questions, and contributing to the discussions on the forums.  The community is really made up of everyone who becomes involved. 

You are part of the community here Athron - welcome aboard!

Team organisation was not made by just one or two people, it was a collective decision and sometimes just happened because someone decided to offer some help.
 How did it change and become like now?
Miro owns the copyright and the mamboforge and mamboserver.  They decided to create a Mambo Foundation to run things.  This was not discussed with the community.  The way the Foundation has been set up was not what the core team (see the list of team members on this page: http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... 12.15.html) or most of the active members of the community wanted.
So, we all moved here.
Who is performing management of mamboforge and mamboserver?
I understand that this is now managed by a new company called Mambo Community Pty. Ltd.
3. What is the Subject for Discussion Discussed by MSC ?
I am not sure what you mean Athron. 
4. I do not know why Peter Lemont says that Robert Castley is No. 1.
 What did he bring Mambo?
 Was it  differ from other Dev.team members ?
Robert was the project leader for a long time and a very valuable developer and member of the community.  He left for awhile and came back recently to try to help over at mamboserver.  For a short time, he was a member of the Mambo Foundation but then he resigned.  You will find more information about him and about his resignation if you search the posts here and at mamboserver.

All the dev team members are very important and it is because of the work Robert started and that the rest of the developers carried on that has made Mambo the award-winning CMS it is today.
5. Please let me know knowing about the past Mambo.
Mambo became an open source product nearly four years ago.  When Miro made the code open source Robert came along and then other developers joined him.  A community of people from all over the world found Mambo, liked it, and got together on mamboforge and mamboserver to support it, use it, ask questions about it, and to volunteer to help build Mambo into a great CMS.
Nobody was paid to do this.  The commuinity used the mamboserver forums (and other forums too) to offer support to each other.
Mambo has won awards in the last two years and Miro decided it needed to control things.  Sadly, they decided that they were the ones to control things.

The history is not really important.  What is important is that the core team are all here and the CMS will keep developing.  The community will keep talking to each other and will keep working to improve the CMS.  It might change its name, but it is still the same great CMS.  The only change to the way things were two weeks ago is that we have moved to a different forum.

I hope this helps and I hope I have explained things clearly for you. (We don't have a Japanese forum here yet, but if you want one here please just ask).

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:10 pm
by teng
great words, indeed. clearly explained.

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:04 pm
by athron
Thanks all , some replies. :D

What to know can be clear little by little for  me !
However, I am still in  understanding. (sorry)
Elpie wrote:
athron wrote: I am a newcomer who began to use Mambo from this year.

Since I do not know the past background, about many people's comment to this matter, what is true ,guess and falsehood.

I am reading many threads relevant to this matter of forum.mamboserver.com and forum.opensourcematters.com now.
However, much time is required.
Yes, it does take much time.  To really understand what has happened to cause the split between the developers, the community, and the new Mambo Foundation you do really need to take the time to read all those posts.  Many of the posts have links to more information.
Yes,Yes !
I don't have many time to read them.. huuuuuu

They said that they would keep it open source until they were ready to release it as a commercial product.  As time went on, I think many people forgot that Miro had said that.
I can't understand this. If  it is under GNU/GPL once ,can it will becom not GPL?
You are part of the community here Athron - welcome aboard!
Thank you for your welcome.
I received an  e-mail of this matter from Jean-Marie.

But I could'nt understand "What is going on?" and "where the essence of the problem would be?"  ;D
Team organisation was not made by just one or two people, it was a collective decision and sometimes just happened because someone decided to offer some help.
I understood.

3. What is the Subject for Discussion Discussed by MSC ?
I am not sure what you mean Athron.
Sorry :D
It was wrong english words......
My intent is "What is the purpose of MSC ,and what is discussed and what is decided in MSC?"
Can you  understand this time?  ;)
4. I do not know why Peter Lemont says that Robert Castley is No. 1.
 What did he bring Mambo?
 Was it  differ from other Dev.team members ?
Robert was the project leader for a long time and a very valuable developer and member of the community.  He left for awhile and came back recently to try to help over at mamboserver.  For a short time, he was a member of the Mambo Foundation but then he resigned.  You will find more information about him and about his resignation if you search the posts here and at mamboserver.

All the dev team members are very important and it is because of the work Robert started and that the rest of the developers carried on that has made Mambo the award-winning CMS it is today.
Now, I hold respect in Robert's  achievements.
But I hold respect also  the achievements of the present dev team, doc team and etc....
I cannot understand why Peter said that  Robert is  No.1 more than the present members of team.
5. Please let me know knowing about the past Mambo.
Mambo became an open source product nearly four years ago.  When Miro made the code open source Robert came along and then other developers joined him.  A community of people from all over the world found Mambo, liked it, and got together on mamboforge and mamboserver to support it, use it, ask questions about it, and to volunteer to help build Mambo into a great CMS.
Nobody was paid to do this.  The commuinity used the mamboserver forums (and other forums too) to offer support to each other.
Mambo has won awards in the last two years and Miro decided it needed to control things.  Sadly, they decided that they were the ones to control things.

The history is not really important.  What is important is that the core team are all here and the CMS will keep developing.  The community will keep talking to each other and will keep working to improve the CMS.  It might change its name, but it is still the same great CMS.  The only change to the way things were two weeks ago is that we have moved to a different forum.

I hope this helps and I hope I have explained things clearly for you. (We don't have a Japanese forum here yet, but if you want one here please just ask).
Thanks a lot, Elpie.

I think the hitosry of Mambo is more  important to understand this matter.
Perhaps somebody think so , I guess...

In Japan,it seems  that attention is not almost paid to this matter by now.
I published  this matters(letter to communities and FAQ)  in my site and told this matter to  members of Japanese translation team.
In several persons' reply, they regret this situation.

Yes,I want to discuss this matter in "new" Japanese language forum here.


best regard,

Re: Please teach me about the past background of Mambo

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:32 pm
by ssmayer
Beautiful response, Elpie.