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How was this name selected?

Post by Ivo » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:10 pm

What was the actual process of choosing the new name, was it hard to choose one?

I would like it to hear more about how the name was chosen.
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by PhilTaylor-Prazgod » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:48 pm

Ivo wrote: What was the actual process of choosing the new name, was it hard to choose one?

I would like it to hear more about how the name was chosen.
Why does it matter!

Just because this is a community does not mean that everyone has a right to vote on decisions like this

True democracy is that you vote for those that lead you, you support them to the best of your ability - and you trust them to make important decisions on your behalf, (Think about your Local/National Government, member of parliment, EU, Prime Ministers etc....)

If you dont like decisions that your leaders make then you are free to not support them, and when enough people remove their support from the leaders they are no longer leading (Classic example is what Miro just experienced when we all voted with our lack of support for them)

A man who says he is a leader and has no one following is only taking a walk!!!

So instead of critizing start supporting!  The name is here and nothing you do will change that (Unless enough people vote with thier support!)

Its amazing how much of this I see in churches daily!
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by SineMacula » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:02 pm

Phil, while I do agree with you, I'd like to make one point of clarification:

Most people would consider a "True Democracy" to be a "direct democracy" where each member of the community gets one vote on everything - other than in very small groups, I'm not sure this actually exists, and even then, I'm not sure it would always work.

What you describe is a "representative democracy", where our votes are for individuals to represent our interests and lead us... and then we let those representatives lead us (and presumably, they come up with their own system for managing their processes, whether by direct democracy within the group, or consensus, or some combination). This is the most common form of democracy, and probably the only one that is practical in any large group situation.

In a community of this size I do think a representative democracy type situation (as I think we have) is much more workable than a true direct democracy.

Having said all that, there are already threads with posts describing how the name was chosen if you're really interested, Ivo.

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by Ivo » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:57 pm

Just asking a question results directly in hate mail about politics etc... I don't understand your reaction, PhilTaylor-Prazgod. Did you understand my question right?

SineMacula, I didn't see anything about this, I'm interested in stories like that, just curious...

Do you have a link?
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by iainshaw » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:01 pm

@Phil

What on earth was that post about?  Go back and read the guy's question and then reread your response.  And then if you're prepared to admit you were a bit previous you could always apologise :)
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by brian » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:06 pm

I can see where Phil was coming from.

It was easy to read IVO's initial post in two ways.

1) Please can you tell me more about how the name was selected

or

2) How on earth did you chose this aweful name

It is now clear that IVO meant 1 and not 2 but it's an easy mistake to make. Especialy as i think it has been asked/answered already for option 1.

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by iainshaw » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:11 pm

easy but wrong
or lazy and wrong.

If there's ambiguity in a post there's nothing to stop someone asking a clarifying question.  All the guy did was ask a question and Phil took the question, processed it with a load of other data and spat out a load of inappropriate preaching.

It was rude and uncalled for.
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by SineMacula » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:22 pm

Ivo wrote: SineMacula, I didn't see anything about this, I'm interested in stories like that, just curious...

Do you have a link?
http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... l#msg27286
http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... l#msg27398

Both in the same thread, but different pages.

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by PhilTaylor-Prazgod » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:25 pm

Sorry but maybe I was incorrect in my reading of his first post -  however maybe my post should have read:


Please see the forum rules page
http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... ,65.0.html
In particular the parts:

# Check that your question has not been answered anywhere else on the site. Use the search feature.
# Ask Questions The Smart Way. Read this by Eric Raymond.


It get frustrating to do the search for people and provide links to other threads when they have clearly not searched themselves

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by iainshaw » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:38 pm

Phil, Have a great day.  Don't get too stressed :) 

I've got no beef with anyone respsonsible for giving us this CMS

Ivo, if you're still there......you might have guessed that the whole name thing has created rather an upsurge of passion on the forum.  Shame you were in the firing line through no fault of your own.
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by Ivo » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:43 pm

Ok. I must have overlooked it. I did search the forums first, and I thought that I asked a question the smart way. My English is not that good all the time...
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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by Yojo » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:34 pm

Ivo wrote: Ok. I must have overlooked it. I did search the forums first, and I thought that I asked a question the smart way. My English is not that good all the time...
To be honest matey I read your question as simply as it was asked.
I opened this forum thread because I had the same interest.
Sheer curiosity.
I for one like the name Joomla!
I was also curious to find out what inspired it etc etc..

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by mbenhassine » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:27 am

SineMacula wrote: Most people would consider a "True Democracy" to be a "direct democracy" where each member of the community gets one vote on everything - other than in very small groups, I'm not sure this actually exists, and even then, I'm not sure it would always work.

What you describe is a "representative democracy", where our votes are for individuals to represent our interests and lead us...

In a community of this size I do think a representative democracy type situation (as I think we have) is much more workable than a true direct democracy.
But why should you call this electing process: "Democracy"?!!
It is right an election!!! Nothing to have with the political side of the capitalism system, currently ruling the world!

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by SineMacula » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:55 pm

mbenhassine wrote:
But why should you call this electing process: "Democracy"?!!
It is right an election!!! Nothing to have with the political side of the capitalism system, currently ruling the world!
I'm not sure what you mean. Capitalism is an economic system that happens to most often be linked with, and greatly influence, democracies, but capitalism itself is not a political system (the fact that large powerful companies/industries can, and do, influence policies of otherwise democratic governments is a different issue altogether). Democracies can (and do) exist with varying degrees of capitalism and socialism. I think we might also find that some degree of capitalist economic system can operate in areas that are not truly democratic. And certainly, most companies that operate in a capitalist system are not themselves democratic to any significant degree. So, I don't see what bringing up capitalism has to do with this at all.

Also, there was no formal "election" process involved in either the choosing of the core dev team, or the new name. Nor does there need to be - we "choose" the core dev team by offering our continued support, and we are free to withdraw that support at any time by leaving the community. Therefore, while we didn't officially "vote" the core dev team in, the spirit of the community is such that we do expect them to represent our interests (by and large) and listen to our feedback and suggestions. In some cases, they may decided it's appropriate to call for an actual vote on something. In other cases they may call for a survey to guage opinion without commiting to a particular course based on the outcome. As long as most of us like what they're doing most of the time, and trust that they will continue to represent our interests in developing the best CMS, we'll continue to be a part of the community and support their efforts. The community we have here is in some ways quite a bit less democratic than even a representative democracy... but at the same time, it is also more free, in that each member of the community is absolutely free to choose whether to continue to be a part of it.

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Re: How was this name selected?

Post by mbenhassine » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:16 pm

Well, the capitalism indeed has nothing to do here if the word "democracy" was not evoqued!
Just learn the contemporain concepts and how, historically, they was formed in the new gloabl system that is called by the most important pieces in it that are "capitalism" in reference to the adopted economic model or "Democracy" that is the political side of the same system!
You could read for Micafeilli, voltaire,... (the therician of the capitalist syetm model) for the social, political side as you can read for Engliz, Karl Marx or Linine for the Communist sytem model...
Concepts are important and should be well placed otherwise there will be only confusion and not accurate ideas.
Here we are in the presence of an election! that's all what there is!


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