Welsh translation on site?

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Welsh translation on site?

Postby Barrya » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:18 am

Dear All
Just a message to introduce myself, I am a Webmaster and have only just started to learn Joomla via a friend in Australia. We have produced a Site for Penarth District Scout Council, which at present is in English, however, we would like to get a translator installed so that our Welsh Speaking members can view the site.

The site is not "live" yet as we want to ensure everything works first!

All articles etc will be written in English for the foreseeable future, so it would be useful get put a link or something on the home page so people can switch to Welsh.

Any help appreciate please.
Yours in Scouting
Barry Angus
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Penarth District Scout Council
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby pe7er » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:27 am

You could consider using a 3rd party extension for that:
Joom!Fish - multilingual content manager
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/ ... Itemid,35/
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby Barrya » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:51 am

Thank you Pe7Er
We have installed Joom!Fish, but it apears I would also need some form of Translator to translate the site?
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby pe7er » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:35 pm

You'll need a Welsh language file for the Joomla system text to be translated in Welsh,
and you'll need to translate all Menu's, Articles and so on in Joomfish yourself...
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby Barrya » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:44 pm

Hi all
So where I can get some translation stuff, so that the menus, article etc will get translated to Welsh automatically?
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby pe7er » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:57 pm

No, you will have to translate al your content (module titles, menu items, articles) yourself.

But system text labels like "read more..." will be retrieved from the language file and don't need translation.
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby ilox » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:40 pm

Hi Peter and forum members,
I'm helping Barry with his site and I can tell you we are having a ball finding just how powerful Joomfish can be once we get a handle on just what it is asking of us. If you check the site you will find we have been able to provide a number of Welsh translations, at present limited to the About Scouting Section because that is the limit of readily available translations for us but it is a start ;) Just click on the Language Switching link at the top left of the page in the grey bit just under the green header with the logo and above the 'You are here' breadcrumbs. (wish we could change elements like that but that is built into the index.php for the template)

My question is about the Directory State information showing up in the Control Panel. Can anybody guide us on which of these settings we can do something about and how we might go about changing them?
Directory State
/modules Writable
/plugins/content Writable
/plugins/search Writable
/plugins/system Writable
/administrator/modules Writable

Extension State
jfcategories not installed!
jfcontacts not installed!
jfcontent not installed!
jfnewsfeeds not installed!
jfsections not installed!
jfweblinks not installed!
jfdatabase Published
jfdatabase Order not correct
jfalternative not installed!
Joom!Fish language selection Published
JoomFish Direct Translation not installed!
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby pe7er » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:52 pm

Did you use
Joomfish Beta2 from http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/joomfi ... se_id=7163 (Release Date: 2008-04-01)
or
Beta2 from the files attached in the topic Joom!Fish 2.0 - Beta 2 public is available http://joomfish.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1299 (date: Jun 11 2008)

I tried both: the April version had some installation errors (and the missing files!)
but only the Jun 11 2008 version has the files / extensions that you have reported as missing in your installation.
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby ilox » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:09 am

Cool. I followed that link for the beta2 files, downloaded and installed all those that would install. Went into Plugin Manager and made all the new plugins Enabled. I now have blank pages for the site, and blank pages for the Administration.
I am running Joomla 1.5.4 upgraded through the Patch.

Any clues out there?
UPDATE:
As this is more of a JoomFish problem than a Welsh translation problem I posted over in the JoomFish Forum:
http://www.joomfish.net/forum/viewtopic ... 6834#p6828
and for anybody wondering what my next steps were, I used phpMyAdmin to get into the Plugins and Modules database and Unpublish the most recent installs till I got something working. 10 files unpublished - testing after each transaction - and site is again working, Joomfish isn't. If you want to help me resolve this I'll see you over on the JoomFish site ;)
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby ilox » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:26 am

Update: Thanks to the great help from Ivo in the Joomfish Forum I completely removed the Joomfish installation (left the translations intact thought) and reinstalled from the beta 2 software. That resolved the problems.
Back to translating.
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby SentosaTrading » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:24 am

isn't welsh and english the same language? hmmm

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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby Geraint » Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:30 pm

Does dim angen fod yn ddigwilydd. Wrth gwrs mae'r ddwy iaith yn hollol wahanol.

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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby ilox » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:12 pm

Geraint, and others living and / or working in Wales, are you able to point me to somewhere official that might show legislation or regulations that web sites targeting the welsh-speaking communities should / could be bilingual?

I'm sure there are projects and guidance from the Government that would encourage such duality in communications. They do it for all road signs for example.

While thinking about that, is anybody also aware of special funding that could be tapped into to support community groups to upgrade their web sites to go bilingual?

Likewise any community-based translation resources they could utilise for little or no cost? And here I don't mean machine translators available off the net, they just don't do a good enough job from what I have been told.
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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby podman » Tue May 19, 2009 3:40 pm

Did you get much further with this project in the end? I too am a web designer who is new to joomla and I'm getting to grips with sight conversions and finding joomla to be a powerful platform. My wife is a Welsh speaker so I will soon be using Joomfish to make her sight bi lingual. Just so that you know, if you look around there is funding for bi lingual stuff from various welsh boards. We are closer to cardiff so our local council is a different one, I'm sure if you look you'll find something similar in your area.

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Re: Welsh translation on site?

Postby ilox » Wed May 20, 2009 3:22 am

Thanks for the question podman. We had the site working quite well with the Welsh translations, although we only had access to the machine translations it was still a good proof of concept. The Scout District management decided that, as the area had few Welsh speakers and no bilingual Scout Groups, there wasn't any need to be bi-lingual so we were told to turn that facility off.
Of course being Joomla and Joomfish it would be simple to switch it back on again once that situation changed.
Finding a speaker to translate would have been a big boon to make sure that the translation was done properly. Proving a need for the translation has been more difficult than the locals expected so the site is still working but only in English for the time being.

Feel very free to yell out if there is anything that Barry or myself could do to help you out as you come to grips with building a bi-lingual site, we have made most of the mistakes already ;)
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