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Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by caughillg » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:07 pm

Hello,

I recently read this on Matt Cutt's blog, and shows a potentially huge problem with the way Joomla displays page ids.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/guest-pos ... w-session/

The relevant passage is:

* Minimize the number of redirects and URL parameters [Ed. Note: I’d keep it to 1-2 parameters if possible]. And don’t use “&id=” in the URL for anything other than a session ID. Since it generally is a session ID, we treat it as such and usually don’t include those URLs in the index.

Joomla uses id= to show page ids, I think it should be a huge priority to change this in the newest version.

Thanks.

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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by pe7er » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:32 pm

There are 3rd party SEF components available (like OpenSEF) that will give URLs without any reference to "&id="
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by caughillg » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:38 pm

Thanks for the reply.

I was already aware of that.  We also have our own internet system we developed to not use that feature.

But most people who use Joomla do not use OpenSEF or components like that.

I think it is important enough to be in the base system. (Something like OpenSEF should be in main system anyways.)

Thanks for your comment though, and pointing out options like OpenSEF.

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Post by kenmcd » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:57 am

OpenSEF is designed to hopefully address all the issues you may have.

Give it a try.
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by DocMartin » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:25 am

Didn't have this ItemID problem when I first started with Mambo; to me, introduction a step towards search engine Unfriendly URLs (I've mentioned elsewhere). Yes, hopefully can be sorted in 1.5 - in thread on when SEF will be included in core, a hopeful new post so perhaps people with basic joomla! can have option for top URLs (search engine friendly, readable by humans, "cool" - ie not changing over time, inc as joomla updated etc).
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by Hackwar » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:35 pm

DocMartin, you are not understanding the post that has been written about the change in Joomla core sef and the problem described here is the same in Joomla as in Mambo.
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by DocMartin » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:03 pm

Think I understand, it's just that I didn't see it as problem when started with Mambo. Not sure that I overlooked it, or the SEF URL method I used (d51SEF) removed this problem. But I surely had one URL per item. [hmm, some memory of ensuring I allowed Mambo to generate a URL once; then if wanted to make new link to an item, cut and pasted the URL to ensure that didn't create a duplicate URL. Not ideal, and seems this remains the only way users of basic Joomla! can stop duplicate - Search Engine Unfriendly - URL problem.)

I noticed after a Mambo upgrade, and when I then tried 404SEF: tried for only v short time, as quickly found numbers of URLs per page could snowball (404SEF developer clearly very annoyed by the ItemIDs problem; people inc me complained re URLs from 404SEF, when root problem lay with Mambo: at least for a time, led to halt to 404SEF development). Change made before Mambo team left to work on Joomla!, so done by the original Joomla! team.
I was glad when found a post recommending Xaneon Extensions, and after shifting a site to Joomla! I now use Xaneon descendant, OpenSEF - very glad, too, there's a keen team developing it (for a time, it was a bummer that the OpenSEF original developer had left Mambo for Drupal).

I was and remain puzzled by the ItemIDs, by the Search Engine Unfriendly URLs they create. To me, a major flaw with Mambo and Joomla! (tho maybe Mambo 4.6 has this fixed, albeit has various problems too).
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by kenmcd » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:43 am

DocMartin,

It is possible to create your Joomla sites so only one unique ItemID exists for each unique content item.
So sometimes users see no ItemID issues, until they expand their site or make modifications which cause the multiple ItemIDs. Menus, modules, components. Add can add to the ItemID issues.
Simply adding blog type links can really affect things due to the link priority functions.

The OpenSEF Used button feature was created to help work around these issues.
Un-check the Used button and that internal URL will not be used.
Allows you to have one active ItemID.

Some site structures work better with all unique URLs.
The OpenSEF Append-to-URL features were added to help manage these issues.
You can append the ItemID, the ContentID, and the date in any combination you choose.

Note: some of the Joomla ItemID issues appear even without any SEF component (including the core SEF component).
Adding OpenSEF can actually enable you to fix these issues.
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Re: Google SEO Problems With Joomla

Post by DocMartin » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:06 am

Thanks, Ken - think I'm using that feature. At least, only seeing one URL per item, even if have several internal links.

But without Xaneon (in Mambo) and now OpenSEF, had problems. Yes, I've seen that these happen even without any SEF component - hence my feeling that Joomla out-of-the-box doesn't really create SEF URLs, but instead - without care - Search Engine Unfriendly ones.
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