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Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:32 am
by tarsiux
franco wrote: naks, dalawa na ang pinay - hi, maverick.

man... sarap lang talaga ng nasa pinas.  :-\

humahabol ako ng posts sa 'yo, guilliam.  napansin mo majority senseless?  hehe

tarsiux, to whom will the petition/position paper be addressed to?  position in terms of/petition for? sorry, i do not understand your post/request (i saw it on the other board, too).  i'd be more than happy to support your endeavor, though, if i knew more.

aldrin, ganda nga ng alaskaaces a.  congrats sa nomination. ano premyo?  papainom ka?  8)
Hey bro,

This whole thing just got me unprepared. I read the open letter last night and it made me suspect something strange is brewing. I tried to read the thread about the Foundation and I could feel all the fireworks exploding right from the opening pages, and those were actually from last week posts. But then this morning, I guess it's over? A great and awarded software had just self destructed! I don't know if I should be proud I've witnessed it. Well, what I meant by a position letter is much like the open letter by the dev team. It's like saying we, the pinoy mambo users, felt happy or sad about this development (I really don't know how everyone felt on this). Then finally, we'll say goodbye Peter or something like that. But I'm not sure if this is necessary, given all the deflections...

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:41 am
by franco
audienceone wrote: @franco, pano to ngayon, habulan ng posts? join ako... :D la pang ibang magawa e... kung may sobra kayong project, pasa nyo naman... :D
from time to time, meron.  I'll let you know, pare.  PM mo ang charge mo, please.  Familiar with Zen Cart?

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:55 am
by franco
tarsiux wrote: Hey bro,

This whole thing just got me unprepared. I read the open letter last night and it made me suspect something strange is brewing. I tried to read the thread about the Foundation and I could feel all the fireworks exploding right from the opening pages, and those were actually from last week posts. But then this morning, I guess it's over? A great and awarded software had just self destructed! I don't know if I should be proud I've witnessed it. Well, what I meant by a position letter is much like the open letter by the dev team. It's like saying we, the pinoy mambo users, felt happy or sad about this development (I really don't know how everyone felt on this). Then finally, we'll say goodbye Peter or something like that. But I'm not sure if this is necessary, given all the deflections...
You know, I like Mambo, I really do.  At the other board, I tried to help others when I had time as a means of giving back.  However, I really do not know the structure of the organization -- how the development team came about, the role of Miro in the initial stage, it's role a month, a week ago, etc.  It's easy to say that without the development team there would be no Mambo.  Well, that's true.  But (I'm just assuming here and giving a different scenario of which I am not entirely sure nor do I claim this to be true), someone had to have spearheaded the project.  Was it Miro?  If not, who?  What really is Miro's role in all of this from the initial stage?  Middle stage?  Latter part?

Having said that, I'm not entirely sure I'm willing to cast a stone against one side versus another without first knowing the underlying history and the resulting struggle.  I know there is a thread on the other board, but it was a bit overwhelming for me to actually read.  Of course, I read bits and pieces, but not the whole thing.  So, I'm as ignorant now as I was before I opened it.

History aside, it is obvious that goals and purposes have now changed.  The dev team still believe in open source, while Miro believes in commercialism (at least from what I read).  Unfortunately for Miro, there is too great of a following already for Mambo to easily slip into store shelves without a fight.  Thus, here we are.

My point:  I am not sure I am in a position to draft a petition/position letter nor to sign one asking one side to do one thing while asking the other to refrain from doing something.  Mambo was here when I came.  I'm still trying to figure out how I fit in the scheme of things.  Now, I've been thrown against the corner by forces I did not expect nor could see.

Ha!  How do you like that?  It's the "I can't change a thing" coming out of me.  hehehe

I guess in one statement:  I do not know enough to take a stand either way.  But, I can take a side -- open source. I'm here and will stay here.

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:28 am
by maverick25
eto lang say ko about what happened:

miro is the australian company that created mambo (the original na pangit pa ang admin site, kung inabutan nyo yun) and the commercial mambo (na meron bayad at mas maganda ng konti ang features at interface). eventually ni-open source so that people can contribute to it - mapaganda at maayos ng wala silang binabayaran na in-house developer, gets po?

so sympre, madaming tumulong at lo and behold! when robert castley led the team, daming na-dagdag at di hamak na gumada ang gui ng admin. nagkaroon na ng templating system, meron ng components, modules & mambots na pde i-install and uninstall. at say nyo, meron ng built-in web-based editor. kung inabot nyo yung mga naunang version, pahirapan at kanya-kanyang install-an ng mga editor. swerte nga yun mga bago na naka-discover ng mambo ngayon eh, kse wala na silang kahirap-hirap sa dami ng mga CMTs flying around the web.

then bigla na lang eh the original creator wants it back, ano na lang iisipin mo? pinaghirapan mong pagandahin tapos bigla na lang kukunin sa yo, at pagbabayarin ka pa sa pag-gamit mo! makatarungan ba yun?

the community of developers made mambo what it is now and miro just stayed in the background waiting - waiting when to open its claws to get its prey.

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:35 am
by aldrin
@maverick25:

Hindi ka lang pala developer.. historian ka pa! Hehehe! Joke lang po and thanks for the info. Tamad kasi si pedro magbasa ng mga thread eh.

ito ba ang ending? "....and they live with hatred with each other." hihihi......  :D

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:39 am
by guilliam
<<-- fuyat alang tulog. susme..

where do i start?

@haligi,.. ahahhaha.. lufet about the post.. talgang lutang ba ang figures nang post? ahihihi. about sense ng post? havent check pa.. been terribly occupied. terribly occupied on a project now and syempre.. terribly occupied sa kaka POST! ahihihihi..

ahy syanga pala,.. dami chick dyan na kauri nating open source peeps. just keep a keen eye on their post.. you'll have that certain intuition naman kung babae ba or lalaki eh base sa post nya.. pero kung di talga makaya ng powers mo pre,.. pm mo agad! susme.. ang nahuhuli sa party gutom ang ina abot, di ba?

pero teka.. kugn pwede sanang number of POST mo convertible to $$ noh? siguro ang sipag nating dalwa!? ahhahahha.

@tarxius, yeah.. FLOWER POWER,.. since the old logo of m*mbo depicts a girlie gurly thingie. ahihihih... susme.. pahamak yang sig ko na yan sa kabila.. or might also be attributed sa avatar ko.. dati dami kong PM sa kabilang forum,.. oks lang sana kung mga inquiries about how to m*mbo eh,.. prob is guys and DOM's are hitting on me! waaaaaaaaaaaaah.. magugulat na lang ako.. may mag papa add sa ym or sa msn ko.. yun pala pag ka chat ko na.. magbabakasakali lang palang maka score. ahihihihi. teka.. pag nag kataon,.. hanap nga ako ng mga pictyur kong the most manwhore i can be.. so that matigil na yang mga masugid kong manliligaw na mga DOM.. ahihihi

on the serious side of the matter,.. about the pet/pos paper,.. if you'll ask me,.. honestly i dont believe it is necessary... our numbers here in OSC already can attest to that what our stand on the issue is. and everytime i visit this site.. i am always happy and excited to look in the figure in the upper left portion to see how many have been informed, thought about it, pondered and lastly realized that the community in the "other" forum is not anymore the community that we have grown to love. 

madalit sabi: hindi na kailangan pang pag ukolan nang pansin at oras.. IMHO.

on the legal side of the issue,.. i difer not to discuss about it.. i have been vocal in the "other" forum being as guilliam an open source advocate,.. not as guilliam a legal professor to edify them.. susme.. matatanda na yung mga yun.. if they are recieving that figure of $$$ from ads, donations etc,.. and refused to open the books.. defintely they already know what are their legal impediments. 

@maverick.. ahy oo.. yan si reign(rain or reine or however she wants it.. ahihihi) dandang ka chat yan,.. dami kang matutu-nan dyan..  di lang pang pamilya pang isports pa! este.. pang php pala! ahihih.

@quicksync,.. hmmnn.. havent heard much from you today.. was wondering havent seen a post in the board comming from your account yet..

@raymond,.. yes pare,.. sa susunod papalitan ko na avatar ko.. in support of the call na mug shot daw.. pero amfuta,.. pano naman ang mga DOM na manliligaw ko nyan? di ko na maririnig pano humirit yung mga kups at pano dumiga.. at least kahit papano di lang sa nakaka tuwa (pag walang ginagawa) ang marining pano sila dumiga,.. its also a learning experience.. ahihihi

and re sa surplus project.. sige,.. ive seen your site and you have a good grasp naman on the m*mbo,.. how about nga pala simple hacks, kaya ba?


si @misty_belle nga pala nag reply sa sa kabila baka di nya pa alam.. at any rate,.. hoist haligi do the honors.. kaw naman mag invite na pumarito yung CHICK. ahihihi.. ala pang avatar pero seeing her site.. danda produkto eh.. as i have mentioned sa kabila.. kahit walang avatar makikita mo naman sa produkto nya eh. ahihihi. pero talo tayo dyan kay @audienceone.. neighbor lang ata nya yun eh.

@all,.. yes im amenable to the idea of moving/escalating the filipino forums to the intl forum level.. our numbers(pinoys here) are strong enough to ask for that extra space in the main intl forum board. we better ask rey about its feasiblity.

and btw.. kepp posting guys! magpapa premyo si franco sa pinoy na pinakamaraming post sa forum.. convertible to cash daw ang number of posts nyo! hows that? ahihihihi.

guilliam

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:42 am
by guilliam
@maverick25,.. as posted in the other forum:

"ugly duckling, wants to be reowned when it grew to be a beutiful swan"

guilliam

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:47 am
by maverick25
aldrin wrote: Hindi ka lang pala developer.. historian ka pa!
kung inabutan nyo yung older versions ng mambo and see mambo as it is now, you would really be thankful for all the developing times spent by each and every developer who contributed to mambo. volunteer work pa yun, as in no money involved, kse they believed in the product.

ako i'm really thankful sa web-based editor kse inabutan ko nun na wala yun. i searched for various free (open source) web-based editors at trial-and-error din ang pag-install and customization. to think, may project deadline ka na eh nde mo pa nailalagay yung content na sinubmit ng client tapos naghahanap ka pa din ng web-based editor to suit their requirements. tapos iba pa ang templating system nun, i won't go that far na lang. kaya nga natutuwa ako sa naging developments ng mambo kse naging A+ CMS sya.

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:11 am
by franco
wow, reine, gano'n mo na katagal gamit ang mambo?  gleng a.  ang unang version na nagamit ko ay 4.5 Stable 1.0.4 Released (3/04 -- akala ko mas matagal ko ng gamit ang mambo - much longer than 1.5 years) -- bwisit na bwisit pa ako nung lagay na 'yon. pero, kahit na hindi pa s'ya gaanong madaling gamitin, okay na rin -- http://www.ccapi.org.  iba na ang mambo ngayon.

sa 'yo pala talaga tatawag.

Guilliam, sabi mo:  "you'll have that certain intuition naman kung babae ba or lalaki eh base sa post nya.. pero kung di talga makaya ng powers mo pre,.. pm mo agad! susme.. ang nahuhuli sa party gutom ang ina abot, di ba?"

hindi rin e.  ikaw nahuli ko'ng lalaki agad.  pero, sa board, akala nila babae.  ako pa yung nahuli na "huh, babae ba si guilliam?"  hehe.  so, rami ring hirap basahin.  but then, it must be the long hair.  as for the flower power, akala ko parang "power puff girls" yon.

I agree, i think the number of people who have moved would stand as testimony to the fact that people do not agree with Miro's stance.  If anyone should write and take charge, it should be devs.  kasi, if we write, we'll only serve to muddy the water. there'll be more groups to deal with.

anak ng... ano ba maipapapremyo?  hmmm... ahhhah!  alam ko na:  isang libreng installation ng mambo!  wala, kahit na binantayan ko ito'ng board maghapon, 15 pa rin ang posts ko.  talo ako.

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:24 am
by guilliam
[quote=&mp;quot;audienceone"\]stingrey, ok lang mag-bisaya mi dinhi? para kami2x lang ang makasabot usahay sa among topic... murag duha ra man ta ani tarsiux.[/quote]

^^.. i just digged in the old thread we have there sa kabila.. and this post gives me a good laugh.. i wonder pano naintindihan ni rey at nasagot nya.. ahihihi..  ;D

@haligi, install lang?? mag pa inom naman,.. kungh indi kaya pa inom.. pa template na lang! ahihihi .. sabi sa inyo eh.. di lang pang pamilya yang si maverick.. pang isports pa!

@bulrico, gumagada yung crayonlabs mo ah? teka.. rico andito ka na ba!??

@berlin, i can see your also keeping a healhty membership in your dinagyang. kewl!

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:41 am
by tarsiux
hi guys,

All points taken. The act itself of registering here is a statement enough. I rest my case. Miro and it's chief Peter did one hell of a bungled maneuver and now it's blowing in his face. Well, as long as everybody's here then I'll be fine with this new home.  :)

Mabuhay!

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:33 am
by mist
thanks for inviting me here in this forum...

haligi
--yup,beginner pa ako sa mambo..have started last may 2005..

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:37 am
by audienceone
@franco, di kayang habulin si guilliam... matinik sa post. Sa flower power at sa buhok ako nagkamali. Wala naman kasi akong power sa chicks e... O nga, release ka nang template. :D

@guilliam, si aldrin magaling sa design, baka pagbigyan niya ang template design for Philippines. :) hacks? hirap akong gumawa ng documentation sa hacks e - besides minor tweaks lang naman nag kaya. Except dun sa prayer component, which was due months ago, e di ako nakapag-release.

@misty_belle, galing ng gawa mo ah. malapit lang area natin... a lot of students here in cdo are learning to use m**** too. Inspired sa kayang gawin nito.

(hmmnnnn... naka-ilang post na ba ako?)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:03 am
by joomla-ph
Pinoy, ASTIG!!!  ;D

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:16 am
by joomla-ph
sorry guyz, can't make lots of post.  busy on our Linux proj. cyah! :)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:18 am
by audienceone
@mamboph, ok lang yan... it's good we know nandito ka na rin. :)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:21 am
by guilliam
welcum aboard mamboph.

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:24 am
by stingrey
Man do i have a hard time keeping with convo's here, isnt that kinda sad, well at least i get to practice reading tagalog  ;)


Anyway the reason we are in the smaller forum is based on activity from the original Mambo Forums.
Should this forum become far more active, which I hope it does, than I will be proud to promote us into the main International Sub-Forum


Nice to have you all here.  I realise that some things are not very clear and unfortunately we are under orders to  remain silent for now.

Some sites i would recommend reading for a fairly accurate source of info:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050818-5223.html
http://www.geekextreme.com/content/view/8903/7/

This is a more strongly one side point of view, but provides some illumination on interesting points
http://lonemamber.[URL banned].com/

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:35 am
by joomla-ph
Thanks a lot guyz!  :D
Let's help promote this wonderfull opensource CMS called Mambo, dito sa Pinas!!!

----
Software Freedom Day is coming.... :)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:50 am
by guilliam
@mamboph, sorry to burst your bubble.. but it will not be M*mbo anymore. if you can check on other threads.. heavy suggestion/poll threads are regarding the new name.. so for now we just hold and call it:

"TCMSFCM"

The CMS Formerly Called M*mbo...

simply reminds me of TAFKAP! ahahhaha

-guilliam

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:04 am
by guilliam
teka nga pala,.. any one wants I.M. (instant Messaging) share?

chekc this out:

http://forum.opensourcematters.org/inde ... 307.0.html

if you feel your i.m.'s are too private.. pm nyo na lang.

--guilliam


btw.. earth calling chette, earth calling chette,.. come in, ober!?

--ditto

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:41 am
by joomla-ph
yeah, i know. just want to use Mambo word so they can easily catch up!. :)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:34 am
by chette
Josko, ang dami na palang posts dito! Ang noypi nga naman!

Ako rin, I got some clients due for a Mambo deployment. Right now, I'll stick to Mambo until OSM comes up with the next version. I won't hesitate to upgrade then :) Argh, excited na ko. Wish the new version will come out na.

Nasa "smaller forums" tayo kasi small country lang tayo hehe :) Pero okay lang kung ilagay nila tayo sa kanto.

(Baka merong marunong mag-join ng Fedora sa Windows Workgroup dyan? Muka nang flashlight ang mga mata ko. Hindi na ako natutulog. Paano nga baaaaaaaaaa)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:35 am
by chette
maverick25 wrote: hello! call me reine (pronounced as "rain") na lang :)
Hala, sounds family. Nasa PhilWeavers ka rin ata!

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:39 am
by chette
aldrin wrote: Hello peeps! Hehehe... sorry I'm late! Sa mga hindi nakakakilala sakin.. ako po si Aldrin. Just call me "peds" for short. Anyways... thanks pareng Guilliam sa invitation mo and nakikiramay po ako sa pagluluksa nating lahat bcoz of "Mambo-bola". Para sayo pareng Stingrey.. isang pagpupugay sa iyong kadakilaan.. *sabay saludo* Naisip ko lang.. bakit hindi tayo gumawa ng sariling atin at pangalanan natin ng "KUNDIMAN"  :D
Hi Aldrin! Ikaw ba yung nasa PH-Cyberview? Or baka si Dido yun?

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:40 am
by chette
guilliam wrote: btw.. earth calling chette, earth calling chette,.. come in, ober!?


PRESENT!!!

My YM is franchette. Pero binagbabawalan ako mag-chat sa office eh. Ang daldal ko raw :D

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:09 pm
by stingrey
Hmmm I tried to apply to PhilWeavers not too long ago, but my application was rejected  :-\

I guess as I am simply a codemonkey and not a creative/graphic designer I dont quite fit the profile  ;D
But then again I can hardly keep up with this community, to be trying to get involved with another  ;)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:17 pm
by maverick25
@stingrey
ok nga yun at nde ka naging member ng philweavers - they don't know what they're missing when they rejected you. napunta ka tuloy sa core dev ng mambo hahaha  :D

@chette
nde ako member ng philweavers, never did join though i know people there. i met you sa forums din (mambo ata yun) but that was a long time ago. we were supposed to meet since nasa tektite ang office mo and mine was at parc royal condominiums. i guess we were both busy then kaya nde natuloy yung meet. you may have seen my posts sa ph-cyberview  :)

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:03 pm
by guilliam
chette wrote:
guilliam wrote: btw.. earth calling chette, earth calling chette,.. come in, ober!?


PRESENT!!!

My YM is franchette. Pero binagbabawalan ako mag-chat sa office eh. Ang daldal ko raw :D
ahahhha.. obyus nga chettem,, partida forum pa lang yan ha? ahihihih.. ano pa kaya pag i.m.

guilliam

Re: Welcome to the FIlipino forums!

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:09 pm
by aldrin
chette wrote:
aldrin wrote: Hello peeps! Hehehe... sorry I'm late! Sa mga hindi nakakakilala sakin.. ako po si Aldrin. Just call me "peds" for short. Anyways... thanks pareng Guilliam sa invitation mo and nakikiramay po ako sa pagluluksa nating lahat bcoz of "Mambo-bola". Para sayo pareng Stingrey.. isang pagpupugay sa iyong kadakilaan.. *sabay saludo* Naisip ko lang.. bakit hindi tayo gumawa ng sariling atin at pangalanan natin ng "KUNDIMAN"  :D
Hi Aldrin! Ikaw ba yung nasa PH-Cyberview? Or baka si Dido yun?
Wala po ako sa PH-Cyberview... Dido?? As in Rafael "Dido" Sevilla??

One more thing... Philweavers ka rin ba? Ahehehe....