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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:02 pm

http://www.webconfs.com/search-engine-s ... ulator.php

^ Thats will show you what you page looks like (not including html, eg the tables)
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby TWControls » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:53 pm

Great tips and article

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby emerson » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:09 pm

This is a very interesting and informative thread, however I guess I am just dumb because nowhere in it do I see the link to the actual MiniDoc.

Perhaps someone can explain to me how I am missing something so obvious!

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby emerson » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:32 pm

MOD NOTE: Removed unfounded accusations. This type of behaviour will not be tolerated. - UNIXBOYMD
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:34 pm

The term MINI DOC has been used by the Joomla mods to identify FAQ's that are longer that ususal, like a mini tutorial.

Its also their policy to seperate the minidoc from the discussion. The minidoc is here:
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,12880.0.html

I am also hosting a copy in PDF that people can download for free on my own site.
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby technopuzzle » Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:56 am

@ emerson

I have amended the first posting in this thread to link to the FAQ: MiniDoc. In the future I highly suggest that you use the REPORT TO MODERATOR link when you find an error or a possible rule violation. Posting disruptive or uncivil comments will not be tolerated.

emerson wrote:This is a very interesting and informative thread, however I guess I am just dumb because nowhere in it do I see the link to the actual MiniDoc.

Perhaps someone can explain to me how I am missing something so obvious!

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby ZGR81 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:00 am

Great job Compass! Thanks for including a PDF copy in the template package purchased from your site.

Can you please tell me the application that you use for keyword/keyphrase extraction. You suggested writing the content first before extracting the keywords/keyphrase from it. I think it is a wonderful idea.

I appreciate whatever insight you can provide.

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:42 am

Hi

and thanks for a very good seo-guide. I have a question. I now have a lot of links on the front page and they are getting unorganized and messy. I would like to create a top menu and then categorize the menu items under the different top menu buttons. The result will be that only a few of the links will be visible on the front page. However, all the links will have the same URL. This will not change. But most of them will be in sub menus. Will this change my position with Google?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:30 pm

ZGR81 wrote:Great job Compass! Thanks for including a PDF copy in the template package purchased from your site.
Can you please tell me the application that you use for keyword/keyphrase extraction. You suggested writing the content first before extracting the keywords/keyphrase from it. I think it is a wonderful idea.


The best I have found is http://www.ranks.nl/tools/spider.html

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I am not sure I understand, could you give a little more detail....
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:43 pm

Hi

I will try to be clearer. Lets say that I have 40 menu links in one menu module on my front page. Most of them containing important keywords. But it is messy with all these menu links visibable. Too many choices for the visitor. Instead I would like to create four top menu items and sort all these fourty menu items under these four top menu items.  So there will be ten sub menu items under each top menu item.

On the start page (home page, front page) only the four top menu items will show. When the visitor clicks one of the four top menu items a new menu module is shown, containg the ten sub menu items.

Is this change going to influence my position in the google search result?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:59 pm

Sounds like you need a template with a CSS dropdown, google will treat all the links more or less equally.

I think having 40 links will not be very usable imho, too many options. Sounds like you need to design/think about some funnels for your site visitors.
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:52 pm

You are abolutely right. 40 links is way too much. and that is why I am trying to do something about it. I just really scared about losing my no 1 (!) position on google search page for my most important keyword.

I am thinking of using SwMenu and create a drop down menu or similar.

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:28 pm

Don't use SWPro, it uses (I think) javascript. You need a template that has a "pure css" or "suckerfish" dropdown
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:14 pm

Hi

Ooops. I thought that it was ok - it says on their homepage that top and sub menu items are visible to all searchengines. See this:

A Vertical DHTML Click Menu. Submenus open beneath parent top menu items and retain active status whilst navigating pages. Top menu is visible in non-JavaScript browsers. Top and sub menus are visible to all search engines.

http://www.swmenupro.com/

Do you think I can use it, or do you still recommend pure css or suckerfish?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby compass » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:38 pm

Interesting:

http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-tools/s ... /index.php

This tool emulates a spider and can see the links, so perhaps they are right....
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:23 pm

Hi again

Yes, I tried this tool on my site and it works. The search engines will recognize my submenu items. So I will use it and not bother with Suckerfish since SWpro also have other nice features to spice up the menus.

I have another question for you thought. If you have the time. I am wondering about duplicate content. Does Google REALLY value your site lower if there is duplicate content? Or is it just a SEO myth?

I want to create a set of menu modules that are user dependent. I run a site for people with kids and that are expecting kids. So I want to bring up one set of menu modules for those who are pregnant and another set of menu modules for those who already have kids. So the visitor will choose who thay are in my a top menu. Depending on the choice different menu modules are shown on the site. Since some of the menu links will be the same for both usertypes Google might see this as duplicate content. I have to give links to the same content item or component but with different URL in the different set of menu modules otherwise Joomla does not know on which pages the modules goes.

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby technopuzzle » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:51 pm

Have you thought about using the Son of Suckerfish menu with the Extended Menu module?
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby thoeri » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:53 pm

Hi

I am slightly familiar with suckerfish and very well familiar with extended menu. But what is son of Sucker fish?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Postby technopuzzle » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:57 pm

Here is the link to what I'm talking about.

http://de.siteof.de/extended-menu-templates.html
son of suckerfish horizontal
This is based on the follow up article Son of Suckerfish Dropdowns by Patrick Griffiths, Dan Webb..
Please read the article to decide whether you prefer this solution (for the IE 5.0 you will have to absolute position the menu - absolute to the whole document).
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