Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

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Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby websitedons » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:24 pm

Many popular software platforms (Adobe, Microsoft, iOS etc) which permit third party plugins, have a certification program which developers must pass in order be validated by the parent application. This certification then allows the submitted apps priority review or automatic approval, based on developer reputation.

The JED should implement such a program. It could also serve as a business model, in that a fee is charged for the course, and the fee plus re-certification are renewable annually. This would eliminate the improperly and insecurely coded extensions, and provide the Joomla user community with quality extensions, and boost their confidence because the extension displays the branding that state "Joomla Certified Developer 2017".

Extensions submitted by certified developers would be immediately published, or their first 2 submissions are subject to review, but certainly before those of non-certified devs.

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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby sone12 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:21 am

Are you thinking of something like the Joomla! Certification Program? See https://certification.joomla.org/
Today, it is for Administrators only, but I am sure you will find it for developers in the near future ;)
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby websitedons » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:13 pm

Good. All our guys are ready to sign when the developer program is ready.

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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby mandville » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:31 pm

so your suggesting a paid membership/paid certification only JED?
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby websitedons » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:21 am

The suggestion is a paid Joomla developer certification program. renewable annually, that would provide a Joomla certification branding, and priority or automated listing at the JED.

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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency [sic] - Developer Certification Program

Postby sozzled » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:35 am

Just to put some meat on the bones with this idea (not that I have any particular views on the suggestion at this time), what would be the core competencies required in order to achieve Joomla developer accreditation?

Would those competencies include all of (a) mastery of Joomla site administration (as a pre-requisite course of study), (b) knowledge of, and ability to contribute to, open source repositories such as GitHub, (c) prior experience or proof of knowledge in offering open-source extensions, (d) competence in the design, development and construction of all types of Joomla extensions and (e) knowledge and ability to deploy extensions under terms defined by the JED?
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby websitedons » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:40 am

sozzled wrote:(d) competence in the design, development and construction of all types of Joomla extensions and (e) knowledge and ability to deploy extensions under terms defined by the JED
Just those you stated, plus absolute or 80% knowledge of the API.

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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby sozzled » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:45 pm

I'm opposed to the idea, philosophically and from the practical view as to how the concept (as described by @websitedons) might be implemented. The concept has problems in relation to the promotion of open-source software development and the role of OSM in supporting the community that stands behind Joomla.

While it is undoubtedly true that there are proprietary software communities who have educational programs that issue trade qualifications (indeed the same is true with many trades and professions such as public accountants, forklift drivers, real-estate agents, etc.), such as MCSEs, the companies behind those software products do not restrict non-"certified" developers from participating in the market.

The idea that OSM/Joomla would offer privileges or patronage to those who have completed a course of "study" in Joomla extension development is against the principles upon which the community operates.

We agree that the Joomla Certified Administrator [JCA] course (and exam) was designed primarily for educational purposes. It was never the intention that the JCA would operate as a kind of licensing vehicle. There are benefits to organisations and businesses to engage contract staff who have specialised skills and qualifications. Possessing JCA qualifications, however, won't instantly transform into dollars, job opportunities, etc., but people who engage JCA-qualified staff at least have some confidence in assuming that they're working with people who possess a minimum competency in Joomla in addition to other formal qualifications that they may already possess.

In my opinion, instituting a JED Certified Developer [JEDCD] program doesn't add any value to those who seek to engage such people for website development. Instead, the very idea that a JEDCD would add prestige and additional privileges (in terms of those people having their products listed on the JED) would create a two-tier level of engagement with the JED, i.e. between those who purchase patronage and those who don't.

The purpose of the JED (in spite of several criticisms that have been levelled against the management team) is to showcase everyone's skills: whether you're a customer seeking a product, whether you're a person trying to make a few dollars or whether you're an hobbyist who's invented a package that extends the Joomla core, the JED is a level playing field. The JED team members have no vested interests in whether one product is better than another; as long as listed products conform to standards for security and reliability and don't violate any applicable consumer law, the team does not promote certain products (or the developers of various extensions) over one another.

Likewise, there should be no favouritism given to anyone who submits their products to the JED team; every product is given equal weight and (generally) they go through the same vetting procedure. The JED team intervenes (and may suspend or remove listings) when there are violations of the Terms of Agreement or when extensions are notified to the VEL. That's how things have always operated and I hope that's how they continue to operate in future.

Yes, the JED team sometimes struggle to assist us developers who are eager to showcase our skills and sometimes it takes at least as long as the 21-day approval period or (at times of peak load) even longer. However, the notion that purchasing an annual licence might short-circuit the process would create other problems for OSM. I don't think it's in the interests of Joomla's open-source idealism to go there.
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby Vimes » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:06 pm

Hear hear Sozzled.
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby mandville » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:16 pm

Sideways comment..
Enhanced jed listing was dropped.

Whose to say that the person who developed the extension held the accreditation the company claims when a team of developers work on an extension.
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Re: Suggestion For JED Effiency - Developer Certification Program

Postby stutteringp0et » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:18 pm

If the developer test is anything like the administrator test - there will be very few who can pass it.

There are presently only 124 people who have been able to pass the test.
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