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Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:42 am
by darb
HI the search filte for JED have dissappear and now shows up..Normally if I want to check the latest updated extensions I had to go to this link https://extensions.joomla.org/browse/new/ and then make t w o filters "Last updated" to find what extensions that was last updated.

Now this doesnt work bcs the filters doesnt show up. Pls investigate and if possible also make a quick menu link to "Last updated" that been requested so many many times.

Thks Anibal.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:56 am
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

We have deprecated the legacy search and adopted a new instant search.

At this time, there are three main search features:

- Home Autocomplete Search
- Top-Menu-Bar Autocomplete Search
- The Advanced Search https://extensions.joomla.org/instant-search/

About your request, a "Last updated" report, I think there was that view in the past, but it was removed due to abuse, namely extensions developers submitting fake updates, just to appear in the list (and it is impossible to know if it is a real update or a fake update).

We can revisit the case and recheck if there is a way not to re-introduce the feature. Please, submit the request here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues

Best Regards

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:03 am
by anibal_sanchez
BTW: There is already a similar request. You can comment here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/91

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:34 am
by darb
Hi I did a Github request here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/121

Cheers!

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:56 am
by darb
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:56 am
About your request, a "Last updated" report, I think there was that view in the past, but it was removed due to abuse, namely extensions developers submitting fake updates, just to appear in the list (and it is impossible to know if it is a real update or a fake update).
Yes this is another problem but that should not control and decide over this good feature of Joomla JED that is good for the whole community bcs some people do bad things.

To prevent fake PR submitting fake updates I suggest/ideas to do the following complimentary solution & rules for adding/committing an extension to JED community.

1. Create a right column to the listing with extension "Update history" with running historically updates with headings for versions semantic numbers and what updates was done at that version number. So its traceable.

After a 3pds have saved his history update that can not be changed later and next update that follows will have a new version number and new updates that was done. So you see the history updates chronologically.

2. If a 3pd developer make mistake and have other versions, fakes, updates that are false etc he get a first warning for his action and a warning icon flag is set up for the JED extension "Issue with update history".

If a developer second time is doing fake updates he will be de listed for 3 months, a second time 6 months and then de listed for ever.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:35 am
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

Let's say a developer update the extension every day. There is even a request for a publishing API: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/118. So, the developer could build and (automatically) publish a daily version to JED as a new version. If it is fake or not, it can't be decided since we can't infer the intention. The final result is that all developers publishing daily updates will appear in the report. This is an extreme case, but in the past, similar patterns were observed and that's why this information is no longer published (and a developer is free to update the entry without restrictions as long as it complies with ToS).

Regards

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:19 am
by darb
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:35 am
Let's say a developer update the extension every day. There is even a request for a publishing API: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/118. So, the developer could build and (automatically) publish a daily version to JED as a new version. The final result is that all developers publishing daily updates will appear in the report. This is an extreme case, but in the past, similar patterns were observed and that's why this information is no longer published (and a developer is free to update the entry without restrictions as long as it complies with ToS).
Regards

Solution
Create a Flooding system and/or rules (if/then/else) syntax so you cannot make an update more than once per week etc. Rule: Allowed one update per week or xx days with rules TOS update etc.
If it is fake or not, it can't be decided since we can't infer the intention.
If we let our IT system be as much automated as possible too we also can create guides and rules how things should work and with help of community users that help control this info after the updates is done and we also have warning system as I talked about before to prevent fake actions.

I don’t think that these 3pds would like to ruin their reputation and destroy their business if people can see and judge their action. And 3pds have to show what updates they have done and what version number that updates have historically and that’s for them a manual process. If 3pds can automate this in conjunction with their own update system for less maintenance its ok for me and good for all. Thats not the problem.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:33 am
by darb
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:56 am
Hi,

We have deprecated the legacy search and adopted a new instant search.

At this time, there are three main search features:

- Home Autocomplete Search in the past, but it was removed due to abuse, namely extensions developers submitting fake updates, just to appear in the list (and it is impossible to know if it is a real update or a fake update).

We can revisit the case and recheck if there is a way not to re-introduce the feature. Please, submit the request here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues

Best Regards
Anibal, what people in Joomla community can take this decision to remove "Latest updated" for JED?

I am very very surprised that this important search feature can just be taken away without any discussion transparency for us Joomla community users. I have uses it since start of JED and this was a core function of Mosets Tree and that working well even its more problem lately I guess.

I do understand this is a problem but isn’t it a larger problem for all of us Joomla users that use this frequently and cant not use this anymore? How did you discuss this tradeoff and where is this discussion?

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:48 am
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

All discussions about features and development are made within the JED Team. Since the unpublishing of "Recently Updated" was done before my time, I don't know the details. I'm going to check with the team if they remember the problem.

The "Recently Updated" feature is still there. I've activated it a few seconds and it's showing the same query than the "New Extensions" query, so it probably requires some effort to be re-activated. In the meantime, I'm keeping it deactivated.

Regards

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:05 am
by darb
Ok thanks Anibal. Mucho appreciated! Cheers!

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:56 pm
by darb
Anibal any new how its going to enable Last updated again?

Cheers!

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:59 pm
by andiamine
Hi JED support, please enable filter by last updated extensions, we do use this feature a lot.

Thank you :)

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:16 pm
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

You can follow the latest updates on the topic here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/-----

Regards

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:05 pm
by andiamine
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:16 pm
Hi,

You can follow the latest updates on the topic here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/---

Regards
Thanks but is not about search last updated extensions

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:37 pm
by anibal_sanchez
You are right, my bad. I posted in the wrong topic.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:40 pm
by anibal_sanchez
This is the link I'm referring to https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/121

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:24 pm
by andiamine
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:40 pm
This is the link I'm referring to https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/issues/121
Great thanks

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:11 am
by darb
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:48 am
Hi,

All discussions about features and development are made within the JED Team. Since the unpublishing of "Recently Updated" was done before my time, I don't know the details. I'm going to check with the team if they remember the problem.

The "Recently Updated" feature is still there. I've activated it a few seconds and it's showing the same query than the "New Extensions" query, so it probably requires some effort to be re-activated. In the meantime, I'm keeping it deactivated.

Regards
The "Recently Updated" feature is still there. I've activated it a few seconds and it's showing the same query than the "New Extensions" query, so it probably requires some effort to be re-activated. In the meantime, I'm keeping it deactivated.

So when is this activated and working again Anibal?

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:51 am
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

The next Friday, the JED team has the monthly meeting and we'll discuss the "Updated Extensions" report. My idea is restoring the unpublished report that was available on the menu.

Regards

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:55 am
by darb
Ok waiting for update for this important JED feature.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:26 pm
by anibal_sanchez
You can find the latest update here: https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/is ... -526938631

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:51 am
by darb
Hi Anibal,

this is your statement there:

https://github.com/joomla/jed-issues/is ... -526938631

"anibalsanchez commented 13 days ago

Recently Updated / New & Noteworthy reports: We have discussed the suggestion to restore revamped reports and concluded that it's a good opportunity to revisit the topic with reviewed queries. After the new ticket system implementation, we'll continue with the implementation of this point. If you want to collaborate with the team, feel free to contact us here.

You can check the Full meeting report here: JED Team Meeting - August 30th, 2019"

You have not restored the "Lastes updated" still and this could be used/done until you also do a new system that works.

Q: what is best?

1. To restore the "Last updated" for people that used this 10+ years and still use it or
2. Wait forever with this unclear statement "After the new ticket system implementation, we'll continue with the implementation of this point."?

Pls restore the "Last updated" now and later fix a better version of it!

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:33 am
by darb
Hello guys any response and action at all??

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:59 am
by anibal_sanchez
Hi,

We have already implemented the new ticketing system. So, I'm moving on to address the new points on the list.

Please, remember that we are all volunteers and we are always open to receive collaborations to help us.

PS: And, you can also speed the process if you include words such as "Please" and "Thanks".

Best regards,

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:00 pm
by darb
Please and thanks Anibal. But this was a big mistake from all of you to remove this. FYI.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:49 pm
by anibal_sanchez
We do what we can with the available resources.

Regards,

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:10 am
by darb
This function is good for people that is not Joomla developers and is a way to see how well the different Joomla 3pds extension developers are engaged and update their extensions. It create trust and trust is earned over time.

If there is some false update postings from a few different Joomla 3pds that is not good but not a reason to destroy this function as it still is.

Anibal, do you think its good to only just promote new extensions there for some reason or old extensions that had have the time to get a lot of reviews with a "Top rated" scoring? As now as I guess its a correlation between number of reviews and rating to be on the top for these searches.

Maybe they are obsolete this last year(s) but still are up in the top searches bcs of old obsolete merits since 10 years?

One suggestion could also be to have a scoring model showing how many reviews compared to time, no of reviews and then you also give the new extension developers a chance to be on the JED top and he/she will be on the toes for great customer service & updated delivery.

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:53 am
by anibal_sanchez
I'm going to check the feature as soon as I can. You don't need to insist every day.

Regards,
Anibal

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:59 am
by sozzled
darb wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:10 am
Anibal, do you think its good to only just promote new extensions there for some reason or old extensions that had have the time to get a lot of reviews with a "Top rated" scoring? As now as I guess its a correlation between number of reviews and rating to be on the top for these searches.

Maybe they are obsolete this last year(s) but still are up in the top searches bcs of old obsolete merits since 10 years?

One suggestion could also be to have a scoring model showing how many reviews compared to time, no of reviews and then you also give the new extension developers a chance to be on the JED top and he/she will be on the toes for great customer service & updated delivery.
This is completely off-topic to the discussion. It might be better, if you want to make suggestions about how to improve the JED's "reviews" functions, by posting your comments to viewtopic.php?f=262&t=973003. Not that I care much about JED reviews; I wish that the JED reviews feature was completely abolished!

Re: Search filter doesnt work

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:31 pm
by darb
anibal_sanchez wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:53 am
I'm going to check the feature as soon as I can. You don't need to insist every day.

Regards,
Anibal
Well what do you expect when you took away a function that is very important for the Joomla business users that works very much with all 3pds developers and need this function? It was a big mistake and I want that function to get back now! I don’t want to wait for weeks or months…