Joomla docs uneditable

[Webdongle]

Parts of the Docs are now uneditable. This is against the whole concept of why the wiki format was chosen. example https://docs.joomla.org/index.php?title ... ection=T-1

[ceford]

Actually, you have misunderstood the way editing translations work. Your link quoted the English version of the page. That contains the text without translation markup and is indeed not editable. To edit the English version you must edit the version without a language suffix:

https://docs.joomla.org/index.php?title ... _Overrides

After editing that version must be marked for translation - that action creates or updates the /en version.

But there is something else wrong here: that url does not conform to the convention for naming Chunks. All those I know of have the Chunk3.x namespace (or Chunk4.x). Where did you find it?

[Webdongle]

@Ceford
Perhaps I haven't explained properly.

https://docs.joomla.org/Help310:Extensi ... _Overrides

Create Overrides[edit]

Click on a component and you'll get all the possibilities inside that one component.

When I click to edit it takes me to https://docs.joomla.org/index.php?title ... ection=T-1
I can not edit
"Click on a component and you'll get all the possibilities inside that one component"
to read
"Click on a Component, Module, Plugin or Layout you will get all the possibilities inside that extension"

[cmbay]

Do you have permission to edit in the Template namespace? Parenthetically I note that the FuzzyBot has been involved in the past.

[Webdongle]

Do you have permission to edit in the Template namespace? ...

No doubt that is a rhetorical question.

The whole point of this post is to point out that the Wiki used to be editable by all members but now that is not the case.

[ceford]

I see your point. It is a while since I edited a chunk so I don't remember if it used to be different before a Wiki update a year or so ago. The chunk does contain some explanation: This page cannot be updated manually.. What you have to know is that you need to remove /en from the url to get the editable source.

Most of the Help screen chunks I am familiar with do not start with a header - you just see them as {{Chunk...}} embedded in the text. Perhaps this is no bad thing because editing chunks needs care - each is typically embedded in several pages, which is why they are chunks.

I think this is a failure of documentation. You can edit if you know how to!

[Webdongle]

.... What you have to know is that you need to remove /en from the url to get the editable source....

Nope doesn't work like that. I challenge you to give an editable link for that section

[ceford]

.... What you have to know is that you need to remove /en from the url to get the editable source....

Nope doesn't work like that. I challenge you to give an editable link for that section

The editable link is:

https://docs.joomla.org/Template:Chunk3 ... _Overrides

This page was created in October 2021 and has the wrong prefix. It is a mistake! I don't touch anything from the J3 era but you can find it here:

https://docs.joomla.org/Special:PrefixI ... mespace=10

All of the Joomla 3 chunks should be in this list:

https://docs.joomla.org/Special:PrefixI ... espace=140

[Webdongle]

https://docs.joomla.org/Template:Chunk3 ... _Overrides is not editable!!!
The edit link leads to https://docs.joomla.org/index.php?title ... &section=1
I am logged in but do not have permission to edit. That means that the page is not editable by many members.

The same is true of many of the name spaces. The whole idea of the wiki was that any member could add to it. That is no longer the case.

[ceford]

I can edit the pages you provided links for. Can you indicate what you see that stops you editing? Can you go to your User Preferences page and tell us which Groups you are a member of? I am in:

Code: Select all

Member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Translation administrators, JDOC Contributors, Users, Email Confirmed

[Webdongle]

You do not have permission to edit pages in the Template namespace.

But that is my point. If I don't have permission then many members don't. The whole point of the wiki was that members could add to the documentation. But that is not the case now. Many parts of the wiki are uneditable by ordinary members.

[ceford]

You do not have permission to edit pages in the Template namespace.

But that is my point. If I don't have permission then many members don't. The whole point of the wiki was that members could add to the documentation. But that is not the case now. Many parts of the wiki are uneditable by ordinary members.

I see now! The Template namespace is reserved. It is only supposed to be used by those with higher authority who know what they are doing. It is supposed to be used for items such as the {{inuse}} or {{underconstruction}} templates. Not for article content or chunks. As I said previously, creating this chunk with this prefix was a mistake (not by me). I could change the namespace to make it editable by normal users. But I would also have to check all the ramifications and I don't usually touch J3 stuff. Do you actually want to edit this Chunk?

[Webdongle]

I did but not bothered. I don't add much to the wiki so it's not important to me. However it kind of makes a mockery of open source. Yet another step that lessens the contributions of ordinary members.

I've tried making my point several times but it has turned into "There's a hole in my bucket dear lisa" conversation.

[Hotdog]

I want to help with documentation but am very new at it. So far, I limit my efforts to spelling, basic grammar, etc. Is there some description or tutorial regarding documentation? For example, what are "chunks"?

[Webdongle]

https://docs.joomla.org/JDOC:Using_chun ... lp_screens

[ceford]

Useful list of articles on Joomla documentation:

https://docs.joomla.org/J4.x:Documenter_Links