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What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by sozzled » Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:04 pm

The "manual update" page.

We often receive questions asked on this forum from people who write that they have used some "manual" mechanism to update from one version of J! to another. Sometimes the term manual update is confused with the Upload & Update feature of the Joomla! Update component. Sometimes the term manual update is used by people who use the internet to find information on how to update J! (when the Joomla! Update component doesn't work) and they are referred by Google here: https://docs.joomla.org/Updating_Joomla_(Manual_Method).

The documentation I just mentioned describes replacing the file system used by a J! website with the files extracted from an installation package (or an "update package") people can download.

Let us be absolutely clear about this: there is no currently applicable manual update method to update from one version of J! to another that involves extracting files from https://downloads.joomla.org/ and replace the files in the filesystem used by that [J!] website.

The documentation page has been earmarked for deletion for more than two years and yet some people still believe it is relevant today. The page has not been deleted. It is a dangerous method and can break websites. For instance, only yesterday I read:
Chrisflfm wrote:
Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:03 am
In response of the emails I got advising me to upgrade from 4.0.6 to 4.1.0 I upgraded my site.
As the automatic update kept hanging I foolishly used the manual option [and now my website is broken].
As I mentioned at the outset, I don't know whether this forum user is talking about the Upload & Update feature of the Joomla! Update component or the "manual method" described in JDOCs. It's confusing.

If there is someone from the documentation team who reads this, would they please delete the page https://docs.joomla.org/Updating_Joomla_(Manual_Method) from the site. 8)

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Re: What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by toivo » Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:12 pm

sozzled wrote:
Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:04 pm
If there is someone from the documentation team who reads this, would they please delete the page https://docs.joomla.org/Updating_Joomla_(Manual_Method) from the site.
This request is not a technical issue that could be reported to developers at Github. If we look at the details of the page, no other documentation pages contain links to that page. Anyone can edit that page, based on the information in the preamble of that page and the recommendation in the footer of the page:
Notice a content problem? Create an account and fix it.
However, even though the page has been in the category Candidates for deletion since June 2020, as the View Source option of the page shows, the page is protected:
This page has been protected to prevent editing or other actions. To request changes to this page:
Please request page edits or editing privileges.
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Re: What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by sozzled » Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:18 pm

toivo wrote:
Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:12 pm
Anyone can edit that page ...
Not true: the page is locked/protected from editing. I have a JDOCs account and I can contribute to the Talk page—and I have contributed to the Talk page—but I can't edit the actual source.

Any other suggestions?

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Re: What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by Webdongle » Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:15 am

I can't even contribute to the talk page
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by MartijnM » Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:39 pm

I did delete the page

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Re: What does "manually updating J!" mean?

Post by sozzled » Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:21 pm

Thank you very much! :) :) :)


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