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[IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:30 pm

As a fan of b2evo and a great fan of Mambo, it frustrates the heck out of me that this is no integration.
I do not like the way iframes work with browsers, so don't like using the wrapper if I can avoid it. 
So, sheer bliss for me would be an integrated, or nicely bridged anyway, b2evolution with the CMS.

Box of chocolates to the one who does it  ;)
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:39 pm

What are the biggest differences to WordPress? I was just starting to make an completly integration of WP, so would it be better to do it with b2evolution ?
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:28 pm

Predator wrote: What are the biggest differences to WordPress? I was just starting to make an completly integration of WP, so would it be better to do it with b2evolution ?
One word = YES!

Seriously, b2evolution is a much better fit with *the* CMS.  It is a multi-user, multi-blog and - very importantly - multi-lingual blog OS system.
WP is not multi-lingual (though there are people who have put out hacks with varying degrees of success), and is also not a multiple user system.
There are a lot of people who use our CMS because of the increasing support for different languages, so even if I wasn't a fan of b2evo I would still consider it the best fit for a very good blog.  It also has a better track record for security.

Integration with Mambo has been on the wish list at b2evo for some time now and I don't know if anything has been done on that side.  http://forums.b2evolution.net
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:37 pm

This are good arguments to thing about and change my mind to drop WP and support the integration of b2e.

As far i have seen in their forum and our old forum no integration is done, so i guess i put this on my ToDo list ;)
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by scubaguy » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:34 am

There is a thread over on mambers.com http://www.mambers.com/showthread.php?p ... post145202 where someone has gotten close, but it looks like they stopped short.  Maybe someone here could pick up where they left off.
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:08 am

Looks like only a shared login and using the wrapper, but right no more activity.
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by snoopy » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:22 pm

I would love to have this too!!!

Any updates on this?

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Post by Elpie » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:49 am

snoopy wrote: I would love to have this too!!!

Any updates on this?
It doesn't appear as though anyone is actually working on this.
b2evo are working hard on the next release, so it's not on the list of priorities on that side, at this time.  After the new release is out I intend to raise the subject again.  Be nice if we could get some movement on it.
I personally hate the wrapper and have an allergic reaction to iframes, but that is the only way at the moment that b2evo can, at least, appear integrated into a joomla site.
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by vavroom » Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:53 am

Marko's to do list just got longer since he's on the core team...  :(

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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:40 am

vavroom wrote: Marko's to do list just got longer since he's on the core team...  :(
Right Nic, but to make integrations is relaxing for me so the b2evolution integration is prepared to get started as a project, but first have to finished over things, otherwise there will be to much open task and it is not good to have to much unfinished stuff ;)

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I have a complete integration in eye this goal is more work but will also show that it is possible with Joomla!
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by vege » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:24 am

Predator wrote:
I have a complete integration in eye this goal is more work but will also show that it is possible with Joomla!
Great !!!!!!!  I too would love to have this!!!
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by bluesaze » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:18 am

Predator wrote: I have a complete integration in eye this goal is more work but will also show that it is possible with Joomla!
I would love to have this. personally I prefer Worpress. but I am willing to go for b2evolution
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by vavroom » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:56 am

hehehehe bluesaze, B2Evolution will set you free ;)

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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by bluesaze » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:28 am

vavroom wrote: hehehehe bluesaze, B2Evolution will set you free ;)
Hopefully it does Free Some extra work i.e duplicating contents etc  Nic  :laugh: :laugh: (Not my soul though)
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:26 am

Predator wrote:
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I have a complete integration in eye this goal is more work but will also show that it is possible with Joomla!
That is really good news Marko :)  Thanks
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Re: Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by zhous » Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:47 am

Oh, yeah, great! I've been looking for this for months! :'(

Many thanks, Predator!
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by zhous » Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:23 pm

Hi, Marko, how are you doing? :)

:( Anything wrong, Marko?
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by zhous » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:05 am

Come on, men, who can help us?!
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:11 am

I only have 2 Hands ( sad sometime but can't change it :D ) this is next on my list and free time for this to start is next week sorry to much work :(
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by vavroom » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:38 am

Come on guys, give Marko a break...  I want this as much as the next guy, but...  it's not like has nothing else on his plate ;)

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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by malibu » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:18 pm

Marko:  do you feel integration of b2evo is the long term approach for the Core Dev team?  Or is this a temporary answer until Joomla 1.x.x (or 2.x) to give the full functionality of blogging to Joomla.  Will the Core EVER include full functionality of blogging,  ie. ping, traceback, comment, multi-level categories, etc?  It seems to me that Joomla is not that far from having all the functionality necessary for blogging in Core (maybe someone can help me with what a full level of blog functionality would include)???

Just asking the question before you put all the energy into bridging, instead of developing Core. ;)
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:28 pm

malibu wrote: Marko:  do you feel integration of b2evo is the long term approach for the Core Dev team?  Or is this a temporary answer until Joomla 1.x.x (or 2.x) to give the full functionality of blogging to Joomla.  Will the Core EVER include full functionality of blogging,  ie. ping, traceback, comment, multi-level categories, etc?  It seems to me that Joomla is not that far from having all the functionality necessary for blogging in Core (maybe someone can help me with what a full level of blog functionality would include)???

Just asking the question before you put all the energy into bridging, instead of developing Core. ;)
Well more and more comes from "alone" into the Core multi-level categories are not far away and much more so the reason to integrate the b2evolution becomes more and more smaller ;) maybe a bridge or a converter will be ok and keep more energy to put all the other stuff into the Core.
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:13 pm

malibu wrote: Marko:  do you feel integration of b2evo is the long term approach for the Core Dev team?  Or is this a temporary answer until Joomla 1.x.x (or 2.x) to give the full functionality of blogging to Joomla.  Will the Core EVER include full functionality of blogging,  ie. ping, traceback, comment, multi-level categories, etc?  It seems to me that Joomla is not that far from having all the functionality necessary for blogging in Core (maybe someone can help me with what a full level of blog functionality would include)???

Just asking the question before you put all the energy into bridging, instead of developing Core. ;)
I know this was directed at Marko, but thought I would give my take on the question :)
I use b2evolution and would really like to see a bridge, but would not want to see full blogging in the core.  If it could be developed to be a component, where people could choose to use it or not, that would be great.  But cms and blogging are really two different things and although some blogs are moving towards looking more like a cms, and some cms are being used like blogs, I feel that adding it to the core would be a mistake.
There's a huge market for blogs, and a huge market for cms - but not such a big demand for a combined cms with blogging.

Development of a fully-featured blogging system as a component would give Joomla! an advantage over other cms around but I think that it would be a largely unused feature by many people if it was included in the core.
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Hackwar » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:39 pm

I agree with you. Blogging in Joomla is a 3PD issue, nevertheless a component I would love to see. Has nobody taken up on this yet?
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Predator » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:56 pm

As you see in this thread, i have it on my tasklist, was just checking if a bridge is enough or make a complete component, that's what i'm currently thinking of which way to choice.
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Post by scubaguy » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:04 pm

personally I would prefer a component, but if the bride looks good integrated that would work too.
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:29 pm

Predator wrote: As you see in this thread, i have it on my tasklist, was just checking if a bridge is enough or make a complete component, that's what i'm currently thinking of which way to choice.
Bridge
Pros: Probably quicker and maybe easier. Easier to keep the multi-blog, multi-language functionality of b2evo
Cons: Could break and require updating as b2evo develops

Component
Pros: it's all yours and would not be dependent on working with future developments of b2evo
Cons: Probably a lot more work to do

I would prefer a component too, however, I think there would have to be some trade-off.  b2evo is mult-lingual but this is not built into Joomla!  I would think it would be pretty hard to keep a component capable of being multi-lingual when users may or may not also install the Fish.

If you could do it, this would be fantastic :)  Being realistic though and knowing that you are really busy Marko, a bridge might be a better option for you.  I would really love it as a component, but heck, I have been wanting this for so long now that I am just really happy with whatever way you want to do this  :P
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by malibu » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:42 pm

Maybe someone can answer the second half of the question, because frankly EVERY CMS site I've implemented uses some of the (albeit limited) blogging functionality of Joomla.  What additional features would it take to the core to make Joomla a full-fledged blogging backend?

Frankly, the features I can think of would do nothing but enhance the functioning of just about any site built in Joomla.  Why wouldn't you want these features in the Core to enhance the other areas of Joomla?  If it's a component or (gasp) a bridge it wouldn't strengthen the product as a whole.  I understand that many of the features today started as a component, so I'm not entirely against it.  It just seems to me that we're soooooo close already with the core--why not just close the gap?  Again, unless I'm not understanding a lot of what is missing... ???
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Re: [IN PROGESS] - Bridge to b2evolution blog

Post by Elpie » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:32 am

Which features of blogging are you thinking of malibu?

As far as including blogging features in the core goes, well, I am not a coder but I can see some problems with this right away.
Blogs are post-centric, Joomla! is managing content in pages.  Blogs run articles in chronological order, pages are organised by content in any order you chose within sections and categories.

I could go on, but I would rather know what features of blogs you are thinking of. 
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Post by malibu » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:48 pm

Lemme see if I can explain better, Elpie. Maybe I should have started a new thread for this, I apologize if this is a hi-jacking  :-[

Joomla CAN organize and present content in a bunch of different formats, including chronological.  An example of a blog type presentation in Joomla, re: Chris's site @ http://iobinary.com/&nbsp; (which by the way is a wonderful java desktop app he's developing for the bloggers in the community).  He added the AkoComment component I believe and used one of Rhuk's templates.  Quick blog.

My question is:  what else has to be done to make Joomla all blog worthy so that bridging of apps like b2evo is NOT necessary.  My reasoning is because bridges are a continual drain of developer resources.  Frankly, I'd go so far as to say if you want to use another blog CMS, than use it.  Don't try to bridge it into Joomla.  What function does Joomla provide then?  Just seems like a LOT of extra developer resources dedicated to trying to make two applications that function completely by themselves marry up to each other.  My fear is that this will take resources away from making Joomla capable of meeting the web design communities needs on it's own.

So, what else is needed?  Fish is being developed.  Comments exist in component form, I think it should be integrated into core.  There are several components that all have their own way of including comments, or stand alone comment management--a unified approach in the core would greatly benefit all the components that want to take advantage--without tripping over each other.  Traceback would be needed.  Pinging?  Categories is supposed to be addressed soon.  User priveleges I believe is being addressed.  What else is needed?  Not trying to be a 'snot', I'm just trying to advocate resources going to the benefit of the community as a whole I guess.
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