101===Beginners :) Welcome and Thank You.

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101===Beginners :) Welcome and Thank You.

Post by jalil » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:51 am

;D  :pop

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Post by brad » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:57 am

did someone say free food? 8)
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Post by dartagnan32 » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:16 am

Hi there well that's a good beginning!
I was thinking maybe you could add a sticky post with a link to the tutorials Amy talked about?
Or other tutorials and places related to this initiative...

ps: I don't know about free food :pop, it's hard to stick into the cable... :'(
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Post by brad » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:21 am

Tim - Rogue4ngel will take care of the stickies shortly ;)
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Post by Rogue4ngel » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:20 am

If you want some more detailed origins about where 101 came from, you can find it here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2149082/
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Post by Jenny » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:08 am

I am really looking forward to this.  I have an idea for my first project and hope to learn a lot and ask for some help from you guys! 

Thanks for coming up with this idea! :-*
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RSS Feed for this forum only?

Post by deafbiz » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:00 pm

Any chance for this forum to be available in RSS Feed? I tried adding and I got the main Joomla board.

Thanks.

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Post by ChiefGoFor » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:31 pm

I hope this board lives up to its potential. Let's start learnin'!
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Post by mediamagnate » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:14 pm

Very cool to see you guys in here :)
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Post by brad » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:18 pm

deafbiz wrote: Any chance for this forum to be available in RSS Feed? I tried adding and I got the main Joomla board.

Thanks.
Take your pick ;) http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic ... ml#msg4878
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Post by Amras » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:20 pm

I cant wait to get stated  ;D
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Post by tjay » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:00 am

DOH
I didnt know this was here and just made a post over in the 1.5 dev forum that should be here.
Thanks for allowing us a shot at this. Lets get started
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Post by AmyStephen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:14 am

This is a *really great* group of people. Thanks to the Forum Working Group for giving us a home - and to Tim and Matt for guiding us!

@Pete - are you hanging in this thread to look cool, like the rest of us? Or, are you ready for action, too? hehe! I do hope you join in!

@Jalil - I want to say how much I appreciate you starting this! It's going to pay off for many developers over the years - with much thanks to you!

Yes - let's get started! So, maybe a planning thread where we can all rough in some ideas?

Amy :)

Edit: Excellent, tjay! He already started that planning for us. It would be great for everyone to give his ideas thought and respond. Those are excellent questions.
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Post by tjay » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:29 am

I am trying to not get ahead of the forum planners but I am anxious
back in the Mambo days I modified the login module on a stock install to read a users inbox from a PMS system and flash a little graphic to the user.
Clicking it took them to their inbox.
I know I know not much. But it wet my appetite.
Since then I have studied most of the PMS systems and loved how they worked but lacked the ability to write one from the ground up.
Since I am the business owner for our software at work, I spend lots of time working with the programmers. My strength is in understanding a users needs and then directing the software development to fill that need.
Our system is not that robust, so I extend the application using microsoft access as a rapid development tool. Then when we have what we need for my staff I deliver a prototype to the developers.

I have always wanted a little more than what most PMS systems have offered. So I am excited about seeing what I can create using the new API
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Post by AmyStephen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:34 am

tjay wrote: I have always wanted a little more than what most PMS systems have offered. So I am excited about seeing what I can create using the new API
We need a PMS. That might be a good way to think about your question "What killer component is missing that we could adopt as an ongoing group project?" is to look at some of the popular extensions available for 1.0.x that would continue to be popular in 1.5.

It might also be smart to think about really easy ones.

Your questions are good. I am pondering.  :P

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Post by tjay » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:42 am

One thing I have often thought, feel free to disagree
once you learn how to
create tables
get data into tables
pull data out of tables
change data in tables
display data

You can pretty much build from there and make it as complex as you want. (are my database roots showing?)
the MVC concept seems to make that easier from what I read.

Maybe a quick how to on doing that might be a good start dunno ???
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Post by jalil » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:28 am

AmyStephen wrote: @Jalil - I want to say how much I appreciate you starting this! It's going to pay off for many developers over the years - with much thanks to you!
Thank you Amy,

coming from outside of Joomla, and thus my viewpoint, i just couldn't believe there is no such group, and i was like " what in heavens are the gods of joomla doing ?" don't they see all these worshippers beggin to be blessed ! heh lol..

i see a whole ocean of cool coders willing to code as a hobby, willing to contribute, voluntarily and Joomla doesn't even have a room ( to steal a phrase from AOL :) ) for these people,  not to mention red carpet welcome.

my oh my, you guys just don't know what you're missing !.

i'm very happy to see this goup and hope it wil grow tremendously. there are also other things that i see coming up in future as far as digital technology is concerned.

they way i look at it, there has to be a joomla in every home  ;)  :D enjoy !
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Post by jalil » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:33 am

Rogue4ngel wrote: If you want some more detailed origins about where 101 came from, you can find it here:
http://www.slate.com/id/2149082/
thanks man, i don't but i'm sure our guests from other parts of this planet would. and i hope many many many of them would come here.  :)

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Post by jalil » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:44 am

tjay wrote: (are my database roots showing?)
the MVC concept seems to make that easier from what I read.
Maybe a quick how to on doing that might be a good start dunno ???
lol...it does seem so, the roots i mean. i haven't seen anyone take it from this in joomla, but then i'm new so i guess i haven't seen much.

there is an effort on this in russia...
http://joomlaequipment.com/content/view/47/74/

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Post by Waseem Sadiq » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:36 pm

Just found this board and bookmarked it!!

This is a brilliant idea and I can't wait to start learning how to code something other than a template :)

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Post by AmyStephen » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:37 pm

Waseem Sadiq wrote: Waseem
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Post by dartagnan32 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:12 am

Hey Amy and Tjay,
I think the idea of Tjay is nice to begin with some key aspects of coding that help us move along
For Amy you asked what could be the killer component missing. Actually I think first about PMS and gallery. Cause there are a lot of both but for all they are kind of abandonned (uddeIM, PMSII, Missus, JIM for PMS, Zoom gallery or others, but for gallery, maybe rsgallery will stand out ) (But this might be another problem cause it might be so good to see in joomlacode which projects need help rather than doing a whole new one???)
Ok I have a problem with my internet at home and I must go now but tomorrow I'll tell you more components that could go in the list ;-)
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Post by Rogue4ngel » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:58 am

You'll find a 'sticky' topic in this forum that you can post extension ideas.  We are really looking for smaller projects for our initial work.  Keep in mind this is Coding 101; and these larger projects are just not going to be suitable for this group at this time.  We want something that we can accomplish in a reasonable amount of time, won't need a great deal of support work, and can give everyone a chance who wants to participate. We will need something to work on that's not going to take 100's of hours to code.
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Post by dartagnan32 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:38 pm

Yes I totally agree I just went into thinking about killer components as proposed above but I did not really think it should be done here.
Sorry about that  :-[
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Post by Rogue4ngel » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:25 pm

It's no problem.  I do eventually want to see some larger projects, but I want to try and avoid ending up with a 'closed' project that is going to leave a lot of 'late-comers' feeling they missed the boat.. so to speak.  I'd rather circle around a few times and pick up people along the way.  Once we feel a group is ready, they can go on (if they choose) to some larger projects, and we'll start a new smaller group and do the rounds again.
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Post by ChiefGoFor » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:48 pm

I envision several smaller projects going on at once in little teams. By small, I would like to see them take no more than a month. Over time, as we get bigger, maybe we could tackle a larger effort. As Tim stated, we have to be flexible enough to let newcomers in to learn.

My question is this... do we want several projects going on at once? Or, do we want to have everyone working on one project at a time?
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Post by matthewhayashida » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:45 pm

Everybody on one project would be overwhelming unless it was something large like a forum where you need lots of bits and pieces. I would recommend smaller projects that appeal to different people. Teams of around 5 sounds good to me.

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Post by sa247 » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:02 am

awesome guys - its not often i venture this far south on the message boards but im glad i did, this message board is now on my morning site hop when i get up in the morning :)

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Post by AmyStephen » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:51 pm

That will be very good for us! Bring on the .mobi!  8)

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Post by Fuqaha » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:28 pm

ive completely missed this new forum! when was it launched?

hope to learn great tips by the pros!  :P


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