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Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by Durandal » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:44 pm

I'm not going to bad mouth joomla - I'm sure that for anyone with the time, patience and inclination that it's superb at what it does.

Buy my first experience of it wasn't good, compounded by:

1. Install issues
2. Client I was helping was using earlier version - read the support files on migrating, and see if your eyes don't roll - unless your a tech head.
3. You need to be a tech head (border line geek - I mean it affectionately) to understand joomla in a meaningful way. Any one can write an article.
4. My clients didn't know what they were doing - no css, no standard article format options - they just played with it until it looked right!
5. Front end may be (moderately easy) - but understanding how everything pieces together is not.


By contrast, with Dreamweaver I can:

1. Actually physically see all the components and understand exactly how they fit together.
2. With regards the point above - that makes learning and using it that more intuitive.


Will I ever look at joomla or any other CMS again - probably, but only when I have to. Let's hope my client knows what they are doing next time! (It was a voluntary job BTW). Either that - or I say let's ditch the old and start from scratch - that's generally a better solution rather than attempting to fix something that barely works!

To be fair - that can be just as true with Dreamweaver sites - if you are taking over from enthusiastic amateurs - an ugly phrase I don't like - but can be apt sometimes

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by RussW » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:37 pm

I'm not sure you can actually do a comparison of any CMS. not just Joomla! directly with DreamWeaver, considering DreamWeaver is basically an editor and Joomla! is a complete site framework. Comparing Apples with Oranges, really doesn't present a valid or reasonable argument.

At the end of the day, a client needs to understand how either DreamWeaver works, or your logic if you have coded up something to allow clients edits or learn the appropriate CMS's methodology. It took then time to learn Windows, to learn MS Office or what-ever application they use in their work life, Joomla! is the same, it's an application that needs to be learnt, as a Developer/Designer (what-ever you consider yourself to be) you also would have had to have taken the time to learn DreamWeaver, HTML, CSS etc, the same for Joomla! (or other CMS)
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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by Durandal » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:35 pm

Fair enough - can't disagree with your arguments (wasn't and still aren't looking for an argument anyway!) I'm expressing my disappointment with my initial foray into CMS and joomla and merely saying that for me, I found dreamweaver easier to 'get my head round' - I realise you can't compare a CMS with a standalone editor.

You're right - all new software represents a learning curve, and can be very frustrating. I don't want to singlle joomla out and dismiss it, it's just the first CMS I tried. But here's a big difference in my experience of a standalone editor/site management tool and CMS. I migrated from Adobe Golive (Mac) to Dreamweaver (PC). I taught myself Golive (with the aid of Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and 'Dreamweaver Bible'. Two books - I didn't have to post a myriad of requests on support forums (they are out there for DW too).

Maybe, the right CMS book might help me. I don't consider myself a 'designer', certainly not in the professional sense (I don't make money at it, though I have in the past) - but I think I do work visually (I used to be paste-up artist before the advent of DTP), so I like the notion of throwing elements onto a board! Of course, with DTP you can move such elements where you like.

I guess I'm saying that my background may not lend me to CMS as readily as what Quark and Pagemaker did in the 80's, and Adobe Golive and Macromedia Dreamweaver did more recently.

Another general observation about CMS - quite rightly and naturally, the emphasis is on content and content management, but I find that results in rather bland or at least generic looking web sites. Just my opinion.

So, ramble over - I will keep my eyes peeled for the right book ... or two might be more realistic - beginner and intermediate/advanced ... assuming I live that long!

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by lindant » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:30 pm

this is what i understand: you are comparing in terms of creating the look and ease of designing?
there are many professionals who are creating and applying great designs into joomla.. but can you put all the features of joomla using Dreamweaver alone? how long will that take you?
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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by JCCarly » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:06 pm

Fair enough - can't disagree with your arguments (wasn't and still aren't looking for an argument anyway!) I'm expressing my disappointment with my initial foray into CMS and joomla and merely saying that for me, I found dreamweaver easier to 'get my head round' - I realise you can't compare a CMS with a standalone editor.
For a quicker result, I agree. However, for overall skill (and web design/development) and career development, Joomla is by far better than dreamweaver--more valuable in the job market in my opinion.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by intellix » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:25 pm

MMmm, how can you compare a development tool and a website CMS?

It's a different idea so I'll give you that! Looking at things a different way :D

I can't really stand Dreamweaver to be honest... costs so much and every version is practically the same. The site preview view STILL doesn't work!
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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by Torettox84 » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:04 pm

That makes no sense. How can Dreamweaver be "easier to use" when you need to learn HTML, PHP and CSS to get results that are somewhat close to Joomla... whereas you don't need to know any of those things to build a Joomla! site and make it look good / decent?

In fact, Dreamweaver makes it HARDER for me to get something done, than, e.g Kompozer (and sometimes even Notepad).

Joomla! > Dreamweaver, although you can't compare the two.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by mwenz » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:20 pm

Oh, I don't know. Dreamweaver is an incredibly easy program to use. The then Macromedia company's first forray into something like a dB driven site (UltraDev) was a disaster though. Not that one couldn't make it work, but cludgy comes to mind.

As always, I think the customer's goal is what should drive the framework. If content is not going to change very frequently, or the change is merely additions of static content, DW is an excellent means of getting paid quickly.

If content is dynamic and ever-changing, if the site is going to have frequent "news worthy" content changes, if the often unstated goal of a business is to drive people to their site via changing content, I think J (or insert favorite CMS/framework here) is king.

Gratis work or paid work doesn't matter. Use the latest versions. If it is a live site, update the bugger first. Work on a local copy of a live site. Get it right. Regardless of whether it is a dynamic content site or a relatively static one.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by JoeJoomla » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:49 pm

It's been a long time since I posted in the forums and today while browsing this caught my attention.

Of the clients that I have built Joomla! sites for, and the people that I have trained to use Joomla!, the ones with a Dreamweaver background have the most difficulty with Joomla.

My observation has been that Dreamweaver users who try and apply their Dreamweaver concepts to Joomla! will be constantly frustrated. You are far better off to approach Joomla! with no preconceptions and as if you are learning a tool for the first time.

You need to 'unlearn' Dreamweaver because it will get in the way of your understanding Joomla! workflow and concepts. I still use use Dreamweaver for some things such as quickly doing some HTML that I might use in a Joomla! article or module. It's only because I have a copy of Dreamweaver and it can be useful for some things but I will never build a site in Dreamweaver and haven't for a very long time.

This brings me to a concept regarding modern technical literacy that I would like to propose to you:

Up until the modern era of computers literacy meant that a person could read and write and to be illiterate meant that you could not. Nowadays in our western civilization most people attend school and learn to read and write at an early age. Today I suggest to you that there are many people who struggle with illiteracy in a different way. Things move so fast today, software languages and tools are created that enhance our lives in a great way, and if you fall in love with your tool you will get stuck and become technically illiterate. So literacy to me today means the ability to learn something, and then unlearn it to be able to learn something else that supersedes what you previously knew and understood.

If you can't let go of Dreamweaver concepts you will struggle with Joomla. Joomla! is a superior software development tool and it's becoming more and more powerful as it improves. Dreamweaver will never be able to do what Joomla! does. It makes no sense to hang onto Dreamweaver as your software development tool unless you have no intention of building large and sophisticated websites.

I don't dislike Dreamweaver. This is not something to take as a personal affront to a tool you use and know. This is to help you get over a possible impediment to your progressing in building much better websites in the future.
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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by ipman35 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:45 am

Don't think you can really compare these two, cause they are in the different category. I'd personally use Joomla to save myself from tedious work of creating webpages, and Dreamweaver to do the overall site design.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by qqqqq » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:19 am

You cannot compare a CMS like Joomla with a web design software, like Dreamweaver. Indeed, a web design software it offers much more control but you don't have the same possibilities like Joomla. A CMS can be used easily by a non technical person. A software like Dreamweaver is very difficult for a non technical people.
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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by xpelumi » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:38 am

Such a nice discussion going on. I've now gained quite some tips in approaching Joomla. I have been using DreamWeaver and just started with Joomla yesterday. To be honest, I am progressing progressively. Quite a nice framework and I think its easier to use for a great site.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by Jesper Brixen » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:48 am

Not the same thing. And DW could never compare to what Joomla can do

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by hohosun » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 pm

Joomla pretends to be a Dreamweaver.
You will spend less money on a designing portal when going with Dreamweaver.
All website must be read by browsers so it brings all things to the language they are using. Whatever you can do with Joomla you can do using Dreamweaver. But you can't do even fraction of things with Joomla you can do with Dreamweaver.
Joomla : another way of making money American way. Let's create whatever, promote it and cash on it. Let's call old things new name and make money.
Check how popular are so called wyswig editors for Joomla ( a joke comparing to Dreamweaver) and how their pro versions cost... don't get fooled..."newer" not always means better. You will create and edit any module you want faster and cheaper with Dreamweaver. ALL THE FUNCTION YOU THINK JOOMLA BROUGHT HAVE BEEN ON A MARKET FOR YEARS .JUST USING DIFFERENT NAMES. Css,html, preview/edit at the same tim : no problem.

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Re: Joomla versus Dreamweaver ... Dreamweaver wins!

Post by pe7er » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:10 pm

hohosun wrote:Joomla pretends to be a Dreamweaver.
You will spend less money on a designing portal when going with Dreamweaver.
All website must be read by browsers so it brings all things to the language they are using. Whatever you can do with Joomla you can do using Dreamweaver. But you can't do even fraction of things with Joomla you can do with Dreamweaver.
Joomla : another way of making money American way. Let's create whatever, promote it and cash on it. Let's call old things new name and make money.
Check how popular are so called wyswig editors for Joomla ( a joke comparing to Dreamweaver) and how their pro versions cost... don't get fooled..."newer" not always means better. You will create and edit any module you want faster and cheaper with Dreamweaver. ALL THE FUNCTION YOU THINK JOOMLA BROUGHT HAVE BEEN ON A MARKET FOR YEARS .JUST USING DIFFERENT NAMES. Css,html, preview/edit at the same tim : no problem.
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Would you believe me if I say that some people use Dreamweaver to create a nice Joomla template,
and use Joomla as Content Management System behind it,
to give their website the power of presenting and managing its website content interactively?
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