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Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:55 am
by Newman123
sozzled wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:09 pm
Newman123 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:59 pm
Is there anywhere I can see a changelog ...
See https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/mi ... 7?closed=1
Is there a version anywhere for non masons?? People will need to roll their trouser leg up or something, to understand all that Gibberish, may as well be in a foreign language lol.. I am none the wiser for reading that document, unfortunately...

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:37 pm
by mbabker
Newman123 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:02 pm
It's the favicon changing after every update that really grinds my gears, is that really necessary folks??
If you're experiencing this problem, then you are using a core template and modifying it instead of duplicating it so that core updates don't change the files of your customized template. Core updates are going to update all of the core files, including those in a core template. Otherwise, there is nothing in the update packages that magically wipes out your custom favicon.

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:48 pm
by Newman123
mbabker wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:37 pm
Newman123 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:02 pm
It's the favicon changing after every update that really grinds my gears, is that really necessary folks??
If you're experiencing this problem, then you are using a core template and modifying it instead of duplicating it so that core updates don't change the files of your customized template. Core updates are going to update all of the core files, including those in a core template. Otherwise, there is nothing in the update packages that magically wipes out your custom favicon.
Yes, you are spot on, I am using a default template on every site, I don't think I have used template manager once to be honest, more than happy with how it is, it seems as though I have to waste time creating a duplicate template, to save wasting time replacing my favicon lol... But you are right in what you say..

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:57 pm
by Newman123
I think this thread, sums up what the opening poster is saying, perfectly, two updates, in two days.. Look at the chaos people are having..

viewtopic.php?p=3573999#p3573999

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:51 am
by Newman123
name7 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:34 pm
A joomla update is a risk event.

One per month is too many. Way too many. Way too often.

I came to the forum today to voice my disapproval with the frequency of joomla updates. I found this thread, so I am adding my 2 bits here.

A newly discovered security problem requires an immediate patch. The frequency of these occurrences is mitigated over time by evolution of code and also by the quality of design of new features.

The only basis for legitimately complaining about updates that address security problems, is if the code is so poorly written that security problems are frequent and unending. Joomla doesn't have that problem.

All remaining updates occur because new features are developed or old features are changed.
My preference would be to bundle new or modified features into a single annual update, with an organizational plan to implement one feature update each year. The only other updates that would occur during any year would be security updates, and these would occur only as security breaches were discovered. Much better plan.

Sozzled mocks OP. Okay, whatever. If mocking is the standard here, then I mock all of you.

Your paradigm for an open-source CMS that you want people to love and developers to develop extensions for, is one update per month. Ha! That doesn't make me love joomla. It doesn't make extension developers love joomla. It doesn't make anyone love joomla!

Maybe sozzled doesn't mind the tedium and risk associated with updates. Maybe he has a lot of free time on his hands. Maybe he doesn't have clients who call him to complain about updates or problems that happened after updates. And who cares what he thinks about anything.

I do mind updates. I'm tired of them. Can we have less updates please?
Well said sir, I totally agree with this whole heartedly.. Updates on this site are an absolute nighmare for everybody who doesn't profit from them.. It's very handy that sites are revealed as Joomla sites via the igredious favicon change as well, nice free monthly advertising for them..

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:48 pm
by bruno28
Don't you think all of these updates are also for preparing the transition to Joomla 4 ? To be easier when the time will come to run our sites with Joomla 4 ?

Don't you think it would be better to propose your questions to make a better Joomla for everyone (webmasters, webdesigners, users...)

viewforum.php?f=803

It is time now for suggesting your wishes and propositions before Joomla 4 is in beta state

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:09 pm
by Newman123
bruno28 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:48 pm
Don't you think all of these updates are also for preparing the transition to Joomla 4 ? To be easier when the time will come to run our sites with Joomla 4 ?

Don't you think it would be better to propose your questions to make a better Joomla for everyone (webmasters, webdesigners, users...)

viewforum.php?f=803

It is time now for suggesting your wishes and propositions before Joomla 4 is in beta state
There is nothing easy about Joomla 4.0, none of the servers I use are going to bother upgrading to support it, nobody will use it.. Every single server owner I use, has told me that.. There is literally no demand for Joomla 4.0 it is a vanity project, nobody wants it, apart from the developers to feed their shallow egos.. It will cause massive problems for everybody who doesn't host their own sites.. Server owners don't care what Joomla do with their specifications one bit..

Re: Too many version updates!

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:14 pm
by uaintgotthisid
It's a shame to see such sarcasm from what seems to be a lot of genuine concerns from users.

As a community we need to cut this sort of attitude out. I personally offer maintenance packages and it becomes really hard to manage them if updates could be in any frequency. That said, I do understand the need for security updates.

I guess more testing is required to avoid double updates. And for the record I don't think I've ever seen a single update which only changes a word in a language string. There are usually loads of fixes in any patch.