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Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by manes-julien » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:49 pm

Hello,

It seems like every time I am logging to the console of a different hosting company, Wordpress is quite aggressively pushed in front of my eyes. While I really don't like Wordpress and prefer Joomla form far, I am wondering why Wordpress seems so popular everywhere ?

Sorry for the strange question, but the situation seems indeed... strange for me, several time when I had to use Wordpress I found it messy, lacking a lot a basic features, you have to install tons of extensions to achieve what is native in Joomla. The I really don't understand all the noise around it.

Do you have any clues on that ?
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by waarnemer » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:38 pm

<rant>

As it is like aspirin... when you have a headache, you can use paracetamol, but you ask for aspirin..
like martini, you like vermouth, you ask for martini....

All good marketing... a brand becomes a generic term.. In this case WP is generic for Open Source CMS. At least that is for the people that do want a website.
Point is that the actual owners of sites are not the ones building and maintaining the sites.. the owners aren't aware and really don't care... they want a site, know WP and google for that.

And also the marketing of WordPress is way stronger... backed by a million dollar company that can afford stealth marketing strategy... computer magazines write about Wordpress all the time... some paid by the company, some do it by themselves influinced by the others, afraid the mis out on mag sales.

The audience is numbed by the existence of WP... that is why they ask for it...

So we ended up with the web overpopulated by messy coded and badly structured websites... not to speak about the millions of abandoned WP sites causing all kind of security issues.. abandoned since it appeared harder to maintain than promised... It is only after a short while companies discover WP not to be very enterprise ready... only after going through lengths of installing plugins, customizing design code and more.. it looks like they want it to be... no longer this free and cheap CMS...

Disappointment kicks in... site abandoned or rebuilt in another CMS.. usually something proprietary.. or custom. Since open source didn't do it for them.

In a way Wordpress is doing harm to the open source world.

</rant>

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Re: Why are we discussing (and bagging) Wordpress again?

Post by sozzled » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm

Adding to @waarnemer 's rant (which I enjoyed reading):

What typically happens with these "WP discussions" or comparisons between other CMS products and J! is that, inevitably, the topic draws spam merchants to them like flies around the BBQ. Inevitably, because of the incessant verborrhea from so-called experts that fuel these polemics, these topics are locked.

manes-julien wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:49 pm
... I really don't understand all the noise around it.
Good point. End of discussion.
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by manes-julien » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:01 pm

Thanks for your input Sozzled. Well my point was not to start a fight around here. In fact I am just trying to have a better understanding of the situation and potentially grabbing some good input to better discuss this with clients that often tell me I have to do their website using Wordpress just because they’ve heard that they should use it... This sometimes left me speechless and how to explain the difference to people that don’t understand any technical aspect of it...

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Afflospark » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:16 am

Hello manes-Julien,
There are some points where Joomla is behind that's why WordPress is too famous.
First of all the simplicity of WordPress and then a 2 minutes installation process is one of the best things which attracts more and more users to run their website on WordPress.User finds a better interface or customizes look as well. And when Joomla has installed its shows too many menus which is too confusing

Add-ons: If we talk about addons WordPress is too for from Joomla here WordPress you have almost all the extensions which meets your requirements but in Joomla, it's hard to find an addon which perfectly meets your requirements.

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Gany » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:13 am

It's the Betamax - VHS problem. Sort of. Each is excellent, don't get me wrong. But WP is much better marketed, and has a more intuitive interface. At least, many people perceive it to be easier.

That may change when Joomla 4 comes out, which probably will have a similar interface.

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by manes-julien » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:03 am

Gany wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:13 am
It's the Betamax - VHS problem. Sort of. Each is excellent, don't get me wrong. But WP is much better marketed, and has a more intuitive interface. At least, many people perceive it to be easier.

That may change when Joomla 4 comes out, which probably will have a similar interface.
You said the word : perceive...

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Jaydot » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:43 am

waarnemer wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:38 pm
<rant>...</rant>
This is why I'd love to have a "like" button :).
The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd.
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by waarnemer » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:55 pm

Gany wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:13 am
..., which probably will have a similar interface.
Whaaaaat? I like the current.. where we create content, not pages......

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Gany » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:36 am

Have a look at the nightly builds. So far a lot of work needs to be done before you can really work with it. For example, it would be neat if you can actually install something. Last time I tried a nightly build there wasn't an installer menu item. :-[
(Not a complaint, just an observation. I know it's a work in progress.)

But the backend is definitely the one page two column layout of WP. That's a certainty. I quite like that layout. I have a site where the owner insisted on WP. I have a much better template for him in Joomla. But he is adamant. He rather pays more rather than switch to Joomla... with this new layout I can probably change his mind a bit.

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by paulala » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:32 pm

waarnemer wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:55 pm
Gany wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:13 am
..., which probably will have a similar interface.
Whaaaaat? I like the current.. where we create content, not pages......
Spin up a Joomla 4 website on launch.joomla.org. Take a look at it there
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by paulala » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:34 pm

Jaydot wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:43 am
waarnemer wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:38 pm
<rant>...</rant>
This is why I'd love to have a "like" button :).
+1 to this. (or should I say "Like")
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Gany » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:32 am

That is something you can easily find in many commercial (and free) templates. Many templates have social buttons build in.

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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by mandville » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:14 pm

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Re: Why are we discussing (and bagging) Wordpress again?

Post by john-doe » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:03 pm

sozzled wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm
Adding to @waarnemer 's rant (which I enjoyed reading):
And adding fuel to the rant, there are Stubborn clients which get drawn to use WP. I had a client which asked to switch from Joomla to WP, and i insisted that it is a bad idea. The client insisted so i had to proceed. (In the process i got a new knowledge related to build from scratch WP templates since the requirement was to have the same design, which aloowed me to start from a common point).

Other point that grinds my gears is that people goes into Joomla , Drupal, Typo3 or any other and they get completely lost and once they feel that can't operate the site demands that switch to WP.
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Re: Why are we discussing people's choices?

Post by sozzled » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:26 pm

I'm not trying to stifle the discussion but I really don't care to discuss Joomla (or, particularly, people's choices in how they build their websites) in the context of Joomla vs. "something else". I see these "Joomla vs. something else" discussions as pointless.

People will choose what they choose and we can't judge them for the choices that they make. I don't care whether other people make good choices or poor choices; I don't have to live with those choices. I only have to live with the choices that I make. We're not forced to agree and go along with, or oppose, other people's choices.

If people want to build their websites in Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal or LEGO® (even), good luck to them; I mean that sincerely. I don't understand why we're having the water-cooler conversation about things we have no control over.
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Re: Why are we discussing people's choices?

Post by manes-julien » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:40 am

sozzled wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:26 pm
I'm not trying to stifle the discussion but I really don't care to discuss Joomla (or, particularly, people's choices in how they build their websites) in the context of Joomla vs. "something else". I see these "Joomla vs. something else" discussions as pointless.

People will choose what they choose and we can't judge them for the choices that they make. I don't care whether other people make good choices or poor choices; I don't have to live with those choices. I only have to live with the choices that I make. We're not forced to agree and go along with, or oppose, other people's choices.

If people want to build their websites in Joomla, Wordpress, Drupal or LEGO® (even), good luck to them; I mean that sincerely. I don't understand why we're having the water-cooler conversation about things we have no control over.
I opened this to explain the situation I am more and more getting to face : I am a webmaster loving Joomla and I have future clients coming asking me to develop WP websites just because WP is largely known by public because it is popular full stop. So behind their choice there are no technical reasons, they just follow a trend and forcing me to use WP for no serious reasons... No need to mention that this is quite frustrating for me as I find WP quite cumbersome to use, I didn’t make the choice of Joomla for no reason : I tested several CMS and choosed the one I found the most logical and easy to work with.

I think this is slightly different than the situation you explain.

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Re: Why are we discussing people's choices?

Post by sozzled » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:57 am

You are right. There are no technical reasons for how people make their choices. This is precisely the situation that we're discussing. Everyone's different. C'est la vie. 8)
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Re: Why wordpress so popular ?

Post by Steven888 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:59 pm

It seems that many people think that Wordpress is faster, lighter, and better for SEO than Joomla, partly because of their strong advertising campaigns.


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