We were defeated :((

[JTema]

Unfortunately our love is ending. Joomla is more flexible than Wordpress but is not preferred by users just because of needing some extra web designer features (or knowledge).

Screenshot_2021-07-12 CMS market share analysis.png

[darb]

This statitics shows also biased different types of blogs, small large websites etc and also doesnt counting all bot protected Joomla sites that not allow this bot to add them to the statitics unfortunately.

Just read the company doing the stats and that have disclaimer for that.

[JTema]

Maybe but google trends shows the same results.

[darb]

Maybe but google trends shows the same results.

That’s another measurement.

[mandville]

how can NONE have a market share of cms if they dont use cms?

[Webdongle]

how can NONE have a market share of cms if they dont use cms?

Well they don't use cms so therefore they don't have a market share. In other words it is a graph of the the cms market share not market share of cms's

i.e.
% of the whole website market not the % of the cms market

The clue is in the grammar
CMS market share analysis
not
Analysis of the CMS market

[sozzled]

How can NONE have a market share of cms if they dont use cms?

Read the author's explanation about what "none" means on the author's website.

[mandville]

Read the author's explanation about what "none" means on the author's website.

if i did that i would probably just stamp my feet more

[darb]

Well hope people really discover coming Joomla 4 (incredible) 17:th August now bcs its really great https://www.joomla.org/announcements/re ... ugust.html

[AfterUs]

Wordpress is also two years older than Joomla (2003 vs 2005). Was Joomla's market share ever bigger than the Wordpress?

[darb]

@ After Us fledgling.

Ever heard about Mambo Joomlas previous version?

[JurajB]

Joomla is far ahead, in techy side and because of this forum.

[AfterUs]

Could it be that Wordpress is more popular because there is a Wordpress-as-a-service on Wordpress.com, while for Joomle there is only a standalone offering?

[darb]

I think its bcs Wordpress and Drupal is private owned ( trademarks etc) and the owner is better of marketing and commercial control vs Joomla that is owned by its community ( all people) have less comercial understanding and resources.

So average Joes go for the easy overhyped solutions bcs they doesnt understand better.
...

[pe7er]

while for Joomle there is only a standalone offering?

That's not true, see: https://launch.joomla.org/

[AfterUs]

while for Joomle there is only a standalone offering?

That's not true, see: https://launch.joomla.org/

Didn't know about that, thanks!

[AfterUs]

I think its bcs Wordpress and Drupal is private owned ( trademarks etc) and the owner is better of marketing and commercial control vs Joomla that is owned by its community ( all people) have less comercial understanding and resources.

So average Joes go for the easy overhyped solutions bcs they doesnt understand better.
...

So there is no company behind Joomla at all? That could be interesting in the development of the platform and could afterward profit from its success. In the footer Open Source Matters, Inc is mentioned.

[toivo]

In the footer Open Source Matters, Inc is mentioned.

Open Source Matters (OSM) is a not-for-profit organization.

[AfterUs]

In the footer Open Source Matters, Inc is mentioned.

Open Source Matters (OSM) is a not-for-profit organization.

Thanks for the clarification. So they literally can't profit from Joomla's success

[darb]

In the footer Open Source Matters, Inc is mentioned.

Open Source Matters (OSM) is a not-for-profit organization.

Thanks for the clarification. So they literally can't profit from Joomla's success

Yes so developers and people here working for the best for all - not only for one man.

So Joomla cant be sold like MySQL one example of one of the open source projects et al that fool people to work for nothing to build up one mans fortune. FYI - MySQL was first sold to Sun and then ended up to its worst competitor Oracle thats why I like Joomla bcs even things could work differently if it was commercilized its the people behind it that is the heroes.

[Makavelli]

I think its bcs Wordpress and Drupal is private owned ( trademarks etc) and the owner is better of marketing and commercial control vs Joomla that is owned by its community ( all people) have less comercial understanding and resources.

So average Joes go for the easy overhyped solutions bcs they doesnt understand better.
...

definitely plays a part, incentives and coordination are key

[darb]

while for Joomle there is only a standalone offering?

That's not true, see: https://launch.joomla.org/

This should be the first thing to see on frontpage also with showcase templates making Joomla attractive for power decision makers.

The ones that will use Joomla - not develop it. Capiche?

[sozzled]

I "did the rounds" of a few market share analysis websites today—it's just something that I do—and the results were not especially optimistic as far as J! is concerned:

• https://joost.blog/cms-market-share/
• https://w3techs.com/technologies/histor ... ement/ms/y
• https://websitesetup.org/news/popular-cms/

J! 4 did not produce any rise in consumer interest in Joomla—as gauged by looking at Google Trends data for the past five years—and, if based on those figures, market take-up of J! 4.x is sluggish at best. This slow take-up is also reflected to some degree in the usage statistics graphs. While a figure of just under 3% (i.e. 3% of all Joomla websites since usage statistics information became available from J! 3.5) shows some improvement, the information is unreliable because an unknown number of website owners disable the data collection plugin on installation.

These data themselves do not affect my personal choice to continue to use J! in my web-related activities but they indicate a failure by the project leadership group to mitigate the systemic causes for the continued decline and possible collapse. Whether it's a coincidence that there's been a decline in market share and interest the project itself is a matter for people to draw their own conclusions. The COVID pandemic has changed the way that Joomla was able to remain successful: regular face-to-face conferences and conventions have been replaced by impersonal video-streamed telecasts. It's just not the same thing as being there, is it?

The past couple of years have been bad for promoting J!. The community magazine had been shuttered for a year, J! events have been cancelled, top-level administrative positions have been vacated (or the occupants were forced to resign) and remain unfilled, and the general feeling within the community remains uncertain.

[JTema]

The painful part of the issue is leadership of WP. Joomla is more flexible, more stable, more useful but wp is the leader. That is hurting.

[darb]

Sozzeled as usual depends on what you want to say and what to show with statitics.

Its a very increased hard competition with more options for publishing tools with so many options to categorise these.

Your first judgment for Joomla decline guideline is from a Wordpress developers speach (Yost SEO plg).

As said before the statitics for measuring cms data is not accurate in many ways.

Example to from this company how to just gather the info and problem. You have no idea...

"How accurate is your information?

It is impossible for this type of surveys to be 100% accurate, since websites can choose to hide most of their technologies, if they want to. See also our disclaimer for some more information. There is no way to be absolutely sure not to get some errors in the technology identification. We try to find ways to balance the false-positives and the false-negatives (after eliminating as many as possible), and we try to make sure that none of the remaining errors are clustering on one technology rather than another.
Our goal is to provide the most accurate and reliable web technology surveys, so that the answer to this question would be: it is as accurate as one can possibly get. We believe that we are not too far away from that goal. https://w3techs.com/faq"

So I guess there is more Joomla sites that is not getting into these crawling bots and is excluded from them. All site I developed with tech guys have preventions for this as an example.

For Joomla 4 there seems to be more interestes searches anyhow? Did you see that but very low level ? https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... Joomla%204

Problem is that nobody marketing Joomla 4 outside Joomla community...